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Re: Fokušima i bezbednost nuklearnih elektrana 14.04.2011. u 13:39 · pre 189 meseci #182
:) ma sta kazes, teraseva na sat :) To mora da je puno.
Kad bi te teraseve uterali u kabl za struju nikad nam baterije ne bi trebale.


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od naroda koji je bio kosmopolitski napravio narod koji je namršten, mrzovoljan,
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Re: Fokušima i bezbednost nuklearnih elektrana 14.04.2011. u 20:21 · pre 189 meseci
izmenjeno 2 puta, poslednji put Mbit 15.04.2011. u 20:17
  1. Mbit15.04.2011. u 20:17zapis iz teksta poruke
  2. Mbit14.04.2011. u 20:44zapis iz teksta poruke
#183
ko tamo trenutno radi njima baterije nikakve neće trebati :( , a ja sam lepo napisao, ispuštanja u atmosferu, ne zračenje u neposredno, blizini (Leaked water sampled from one unit Sunday had 100,000 times the radioactivity of normal background levels).
Probaj da ih uguraš u kabel možda noblesa jednog dobiješ.

moja greška, pogrešna jedinica mera, radi se o bekerelima, vrednosti 10^10 i više na sat.
Re: Fokušima i bezbednost nuklearnih elektrana 16.04.2011. u 03:18 · pre 189 meseci #184
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Isplata odštete žrtvama Fukušime

Petak, 15 April 2011 Vesti Glasa Amerike



Predsednik TEPCO-a Masataka Šimicu (centar) rekao da duboko žali zbog nesreće koja je pogodila građane greškom njegove kompanije, 15. april 2011.

Japanska vlada danas je naredila tokijskoj kompaniji za elektrodistribuciju, TEPCO, da počne sa isplatom odštete za gotovo 50 hiljada porodica koje su živele u radijusu od 30 kilometara oko oštećene nuklearne elektrane Fukušima.

Predsednik TEPCO-a Masataka Šimicu rekao je da će porodice primiti odštetu od 12 hiljada dolara, a da će jednočlana domaćinstva dobiti 75 odsto tog iznosa.

“Želeo bih da uputim moje najdublje izvinjenje ljudima Fukušime, pogotovo onima koji su živeli u okolini nuklearne elektrane, zbog toga što smo bili uzrok njihovom ogromnom psihičkom i fizičkom bolu”, rekao je Šimicu.

Japanski ministar industrije je izjavio da bi voleo da kompanija za električnu energiju što pre podeli novčana sredstva oštećenim porodicama, jer bi to omogućilo kratkoročnu pomoć za život svima onima koji su bili primorani da se evakuišu u kratkom vremenskom roku i da sa sobom ponesu samo elementarne potrepštine.

Japanska policija je saopštila da je prema poslednjim podacima u zemljotresu koji je zatim izazvao cunami poginulo 13 i po hiljada ljudi, a da se 14.700 i dalje vodi kao nestalo.

Oko 140 hiljada ljudi koji su evakuisani iz zone povišene radijacije, još uvek se nalaze u privremenim skloništima.



http://www.voanews.com/serbian...uees-04-15-2011-119945859.html
Re: Fokušima i bezbednost nuklearnih elektrana 18.04.2011. u 17:52 · pre 189 meseci #189
Kako verovati kuriru?

Teško.

Ali govori se da su roboti otkrili visko nivo radijacije unutar i oko zgrade dva reaktora u Fukušimi.

57 milisilverta unutar postrojenja reaktora 3 i
do 49 milisilverta unutar postrojenja reaktora 1.
Nivo radijacije izmedju dvostrukih vrata postrojenja idu i do 270 milisilverta.

Prosečan stanovnik industruijski razvijenih zemalja primi dozu od 3 milisilverta godišnje.

Ma šta god to značilo.
Re: Fokušima i bezbednost nuklearnih elektrana 18.04.2011. u 18:58 · pre 189 meseci #190
Pa, ne znaci nista jer nisi naveo na koji period tih 57, 49 i 270.
Jacina zracenja je kolicina po jedinici mere, ne mozes samo kao kolicinu izraziti.
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Re: Fokušima i bezbednost nuklearnih elektrana 18.04.2011. u 19:13 · pre 189 meseci #191
Nema ni u citiranom članku:

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The U.S.-built robot probes measured radiation doses as high as 57 millisieverts inside the housing for reactor No. 3 and up to 49 millisieverts inside the No. 1 reactor building, Japan's Nuclear and Industrial Safety Agency reported. Levels found between the double doors of the airlocks of the reactor buildings were much higher -- 270 millisieverts in the case of reactor No. 1 and 170 millsieverts in No. 3, the agency said.


Zato sam i naveo "Ma šta god to značilo".
Re: Fokušima i bezbednost nuklearnih elektrana 19.04.2011. u 00:23 · pre 189 meseci #192
Na sat!
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The robots being used inside the plant are made by Bedford, Massachusetts, company iRobot. Traveling on miniature tank-like treads, the devices opened closed doors and explored the insides of the reactor buildings, coming back with radioactivity readings of up to 49 millisieverts per hour inside Unit 1 and up to 57 millisieverts per hour inside Unit 3.

Ovo već znamo, ali poređenja radi:
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The legal limit for nuclear workers was more than doubled since the crisis began to 250 millisieverts [per year]. The U.S. Environmental Protection Agency recommends an evacuation after an incident releases 10 millisieverts of radiation, and workers in the U.S. nuclear industry are allowed an upper limit of 50 millisieverts per year. Doctors say radiation sickness sets in at 1,000 millisieverts and includes nausea and vomiting.

U kontradikciji s optimizmom da će do kraja godine kriza biti rešena:
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The head of the Atomic Energy Society of Japan, Takashi Sawada, said yesterday that fuel rods in reactors 1 and 3 have melted and settled at the bottom of their containment vessels, confirming fears that the plant suffered a partial meltdown after last month’s huge earthquake and tsunami.

“That would destabilise pressure and temperatures inside the reactors and the situation would become extremely unpredictable again,” he said.

Zašto je INES skala tek kasnije i neočekivano podignuta sa 5 na 7:
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Meanwhile, Japan’s Nuclear Safety Commission revealed this week that it had waited weeks to publish information on elevated radiation levels from the plant last month partly to avoid panic. “Some foreigners fled the country even when there appeared to be little risk,” said Seiji Shiroya, an official with the independent government panel. “If we immediately decided to label the situation as Level 7, we could have triggered a panicked reaction.”


Na svom blogu sam napravio malu kompilaciju priče o robotima, možete pogledati ovde.
Re: Fokušima i bezbednost nuklearnih elektrana 21.04.2011. u 10:18 · pre 189 meseci
izmenjeno 1 put, poslednji put stil 21.04.2011. u 10:43
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#193
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Japanese scientist creates radiation-absorbing powder

Published: 19 April, 2011, 18:16

A Japanese university professor claims he has invented a radiation-absorbing powder which he believes will be useful at the disaster-hit Fukushima power plant.

Tomihisa Ohta’s anti-radiation powder consists of a mixture of minerals including zeolite, which is said to capture radiation in water and absorb the isotopes of cesium, iodine and strontium.

The scientist said that experiments he has held with colleagues from Kumaken Kougyou Co, a chemistry company, showed that 1.5 grams dissolved in ten milligrams of water almost fully absorbs particles of caesium. The concentrate can also reportedly isolate radioactive particles of iodine and strontium from the water. Professor Ota believes that the discovery may be required at Fukushima-1 "to clear 67,000 tons of highly radioactive water accumulated in the station’s bottom rooms and tunnels.”

In 2007, Russian scientists discovered a unique mineral which was able to absorb radioactive particles from liquid waste. At that time it did not have a name and was known only as a number, 27-4.

Natural zeolite minerals have a unique ability to absorb radiation and harmful substances from the environment. They are used even in food supplements for people employed in industries where there is a risk of exposure.

Bags with zeolites, in particular, are expected to be thrown down into the sea near the intakes of reactors 2 and 3 at the Fukushima-1 nuclear power station. According to the operator of the plant, Tokyo Electric Power Co. (TEPCO), the operation is planned for the nearest future. On the advice of specialists, the power company will process an ocean area with zeolites, similar to those used after the Chernobyl accident.

The devastating earthquake which hit Japan on March 11 damaged the cooling system at the Fukushima nuclear power plant. It later caused serious explosions at some reactors and led to the emission of radioactive particles, which then were found in the atmosphere, sea and drinking water.


http://rt.com/news/radiation-absorbing-powder-power-water/

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Russian scientists discover radiation- absorbing mineral

Published: 30 August, 2007

Russian scientists in the Khibinsky Mountains in the Arctic Circle have made an important scientific discovery. They've found a new mineral which absorbs radiation.

It does not yet have an official name and is known only as number 27-4. It can absorb radioactivity from liquid nuclear waste.

“It can extract radioactive substances from any water-based solution and so has a very important practical significance,” said Yakov Pakhomovsky, the head of the Kolsky Research Institute.


After coming into contact with the mineral, radioactive water becomes completely safe. Had this mineral been available to physicists after the Chernobyl or Three Mile Island disasters, the consequences might have been very different, as both accidents resulted in contamination from radioactive water.

However, it is not as simple as it sounds. Scientists say they need tonnes of it and so far they have only discovered a few grammes. But they are confident that they can chemically reproduce it on a much larger scale.

“We need to learn its properties and so that chemists can reproduce it on an unlimited scale,” said Grigory Ivanyuk, from the Kolsky Research Institute.

Every year ten new minerals are discovered in the Arctic Circle, and one third of all worldwide mineral discoveries are on the Kolsky Peninsula.

The latest find may prove to be extremely significant for the nuclear industry.


http://rt.com/news/russian-sci...r-radiation-absorbing-mineral/

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Zeolite

Nuclear industry

Zeolites have uses in advanced reprocessing methods, where their micro-porous ability to capture some ions while allowing others to pass freely allow many fission products to be efficiently removed from nuclear waste and permanently trapped. Equally important are the mineral properties of zeolites. Their alumino-silicate construction is extremely durable and resistant to radiation even in porous form. Additionally, once they are loaded with trapped fission products, the zeolite-waste combination can be hot pressed into an extremely durable ceramic form, closing the pores and trapping the waste in a solid stone block. This is a waste form factor that greatly reduces its hazard compared to conventional reprocessing systems.[6] An example of use is that sandbags of zeolite were dropped into the seawater near the Fukushima nuclear plant to adsorb radioactive cesium that was present there in high levels.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zeolite
Tema topljenja jezgra postala — vruća! 03.05.2011. u 14:52 · pre 188 meseci #194
Dok na jednom kraju sveta naučnici i radnici vode bitku sa šest reaktora, na drugoj strani mediji koriste pažnju javnosti da bi sve to lepo unovčili.



Tema „topljenja“ jezgra je neminovno postala „vruća“, pa tako imamo kontra-poziciju: dok na jednom kraju sveta naučnici i radnici vode bitku sa 6 reaktora, na drugoj strani mediji koriste pažnju javnosti da bi sve to lepo unovčili. Matt Groening, na čelu Bongo Comics-a, tvorca Simpsonovih (i manje poznate Futurame), koautor je najnovije epizoda popularnih junaka u formi stripa pod nazivom „Meltdown“ (topljenje).

Nastavak na mom blogu.
Re: Fokušima i bezbednost nuklearnih elektrana 28.06.2012. u 11:54 · pre 174 meseca #196
To znaci da reaktor i dalje radi, tj. lava(istopljeni materijal) i dalje je podlozan spontanoj fisiji. Sto ce reci, tamo se desilo njesra za medalju. Sudeci po ovome, Cernobil je malo dete naspram Fukusime, sva sreca pa imaju more da spere radijaciju i da je posalje na drugu stranu Pacifika. Da li je Aljaska i zapadna obala USofA svesna radijacije koja joj se isporucuje ?
Re: Fokušima i bezbednost nuklearnih elektrana 18.08.2013. u 13:39 · pre 160 meseci #199
Obozavam kad se pojave te Doomsday seljanke da mute vodu i sire FUD. Aktivne sipke u reaktoru nisu otisle supercritical kad se jezgro istopilo ali ce zato to da urade potrosene sipke. Mozak, sta to bese..
Potpis
Sloba je za 12 godina promenio antropološki kod srpskog naroda. On je od jednog
naroda koji je bio veseo, pomalo površan, od jednog naroda koji je bio znatiželjan, koji
je voleo da vidi, da putuje, da upozna,
od naroda koji je bio kosmopolitski napravio narod koji je namršten, mrzovoljan,
sumnjicav, zaplašen, narod koji se stalno nešto žali, kome je stalno neko kriv - Z.Đinđić
Re: Fokušima i bezbednost nuklearnih elektrana 17.09.2013. u 22:50 · pre 159 meseci #200
i ja isto mrzim te "super" mozgove koji tobože sve znaju, i spominju neke sudnje dane koje niko nije spomenuo.

vesti su vesti ako te to ne zanima nemoj da čitaš, prosto
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As the escape of radiation at Fukushima seems virtually unstoppable, there are still steps that governments all over the world should take to prevent worst case consequences. One of them would be canceling the 2020 Olympics in Tokyo.


http://rt.com/op-edge/fukushima-catastrophe-nuclear-olympics-883/
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