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icon Parametri za "boju" glasa17.10.2009. u 12:04 - pre 176 meseci
Imam program koji analizira neki glas tj zvuk. Prikaze mi sve zive parametre, frekvencije, furijera, ma sve sve. Ono sto mene zanima, koji parametar odredjuje boju glasa? Znaci sta trebam uzet za poredjenje kad trazim da li se glas podudara sa glasom neke osobe. Dakle, identifikacija osobe putem glasa. Ne mora to biti posebno precizno i ne treba mi speech recognition (da prepozna sta osoba govori) vec samo "boju" glasa ili kako se to vec zove, da koliko-toliko utvrdi da li se glas u bazi podudara sa glasom koji govori neka osoba. Koji su to parametri, frekvencije...???

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icon Re: Parametri za "boju" glasa18.10.2009. u 13:04 - pre 176 meseci
Ja sam laik ali ajde da probam da pomognem.
Boja glasa odnosno boja zvuka je odredjena visim harmonicima. To je po definiciji. Znaci u svakom zvuku imas osnovni harmonik i vise harmonike. Kad ti program razbije signal na furijeove clanove onda ce osnovna frekvencija predstavljati visinu tona a sve ostale zajedno daju boju tona. Tako da ako bi hteo da softverski prepoznajes boju glasa odredjene osobe trebalo bi da se sto vise poklapaju visi harmonici, po frekvenciji i amplitudi.


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icon Re: Parametri za "boju" glasa18.10.2009. u 13:37 - pre 176 meseci
Zvuci zanimljivo ako je tacno to sto govoris. Nasao sam ovaj progam na Netu Sonogram http://www.dontcrack.com/freew....php/id/266/software/Sonogram/ ovdje je i source code u javi http://sourceforge.net/projects/sonogram/files/
i on ama bas sve analizira. Ako mozes da ga pogledas i da mi tacno kazes koji podatak da uzmem kao boju zvuka. Nije mi bas jasno kad kazes visi harmonici npr. kad ubacim neki zvuk u ovaj program on mi izbaci ovo:
Jeli mislis na vise harmonike na ovo sto sam zaokruzio? Ima i fourijerova transformacija graf i jos raznih nekih drugih. Ako mozes da skines program i pogledas pa da mi u programu kazes koje su to opcije odnosno prikazi koje trebam porediti. Posto ima code u javi ja cu uzet ono sto mi treba za prepoznavanje glasa tj. boje zvuka.

Ili recimo mogu exportovat zvuk u SVG format. Tako npr. za neki wav zvuk imam ovakav sadrzaj:

<?xml version="1.0" encoding="UTF-8"?>
<!-- SVG file written by Sonogram-->
<!-- Sonogram is a spectralanalysator relized with Java.-->
<!-- See www.dfki.de/~clauer/sonogram for bmore details.-->
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Mogu li na osnovu ovoga sta zakljucit u vezi boje glasa?
Hvala ti puno!


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icon Re: Parametri za "boju" glasa19.10.2009. u 18:47 - pre 176 meseci
Pazi ne mogu da ti pomognem mnogo vise nego sto vec jesam. Nikad se nisam bavio ovim stvarima malo detaljnije tako da to je sve sto znam. Visi harmonici su ti sve frekvencije u signalu (zvuku) koje nisu osnovna frekvencija (osnovni harmonik). Tu sliku sto si poslao to je signal u vremenskom domenu i tu ne mozes da vidis vise harmonike, vec moras taj signal da prebacis u frekventni domen. Da bi to uradio potrebno je da se izvrsi furijeova analiza signala koja ce ti dati odgovor koje sve frekvencije (tj harmonici) ulaze u njega.

Ja bas nemam nesto vremena da se zezam sa tim programom pa ga nisam ni skidao a takodje mi nije jasan bas ni taj xml fajl sto si poslao. Stvarno nemam vremena za to sad. Tako da baci se na google, tutoriale iz obrade digitalnih signala a i pogledaj dal je vec neko radio nesto slicno po netu a ja verujem da jeste.

Ja se stvarno nadam da nisam nesto pogresno ovde rekao, ako jesam neka me neko ispravi. Sve je ovo teorija a kako bi to izgledalo u praksi i koliko bi bilo efikasno u prepoznavanju glasa pojma nemam.


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icon Re: Parametri za "boju" glasa19.10.2009. u 19:04 - pre 176 meseci
OK hvala ako neko detaljnije moze da mi pomogne zamolio bih.
 
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icon Re: Parametri za "boju" glasa20.10.2009. u 08:15 - pre 176 meseci
Ne znam koje su tvoje potrebe, ali za to što tražiš postoji profesionalni softver. On je, naravno skup.

Npr.
http://www.supershareware.com/info/speaker-verification-dll.html

Nisam siguran da se bez posebnog softvera, odnosno pomoći snažnog računarskog procesiranja optički ili manuelno pregledanjem grafika može postići cilj prepoznavanja nečijeg glasa.

Možeš da pogledaš i na

http://www.freedownloadscenter.com/free/835717/

gde se nudi neki shareware koji to radi za 399$.
 
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icon Re: Parametri za "boju" glasa26.01.2010. u 16:47 - pre 173 meseci
Ako slucajno nesto napravis i radi posalji!
Hocu da doktoriram na etf-u i to bi bio odlican rad :-)

Ono sto si zaokruzio nisu harmonici. Harmonici se mogu videti u frekvenciskom spektru, ne u vremenskom domenu. Iz vremenskog domena ne mozes dobiti neke velike informacije ni o govorniku ni o tome sta je izgovoreno. Za identifikaciju se koristi formantna struktura govora,maksimumi u spektru, devijacija u spektru, osnovna ucestanost govora, devijacija osnovne ucestanosti...

Kada se govori o identifikaciji onda se veci broj glasova porede sa jednim referentnim i trazi se jedan od njih, najslicniji referentnom glasu. Verifikacija je vid prepoznavanja govornika gde se donosi odluka da li su glasovi slicni ili ne. Sta ti od toga treba?

Ukratko, ukoliko mislis da analiziras signale i da sam napravis algoritam koji ce da poredi, odustani i ustedi vreme. Jedini izlaz je da kupis neki softver, pa da to integrises u sistem koji si osmislio.
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