Emigracija u Svajcarsku

kao sto sam ti napisao do 2014-2015 nemozes da radis legalno u CH, tj procedura za tvoj legalni rad ti je ista kao i da imas Srpski pasos, nemozes da uzmes ni stan regularno jer sa stanom i prijavom adrese dobijas i boravisnu vizu a sa njom automatski imas pravo na rad.

elmagico

Ok ... hvala na informacijama ... kapiram da nemaju prava kao ostale clanice EU dok ne ispune uslov od 7 godina clanstva u EU ... ali mi jedna stvar josh nije jasna...
Kako to da sa Bugarskim pasoshem ... odnosno Bugari koji su 2007-e godine ushli u EU isto vazi kao i nas Srpski pasosh a nismo josh ni kandidati ... a u najboljem slucaju u EU cemo uci 2020 god. ? Neki proracun je da zaostajemo 15 godina za njima ... shto predpostavljam da nije isto rangirano u Evropi???
I ae josh mi ovo molim te objasni ... znacilo bi mi ... rekao si u prvom odgovoru da "sa Bugarskim pasoshem mogu da dodjem i da boravim kao i svi drugi clanovi EU"...ali da nemam pravo da radim... E sad ako kazesh da mogu da boravim kao ostali iz EU ... to valjda podrazumeva da mogu da zivim u nekom stanu ili kuci ... tipa 3 meseca ili pola godine ili godinu dana... nelogicno je da imam prava samo da budem turisticki .. tipa u hotelu sve to vreme! ?

mozes da zivis u kuci nioje frka,ali ne smes da radi jer nemas radnu dozvolu,e sad ima fora valjda ne smes da budes u zemlji vise po 3.mes. valjda moras da izadjes da budes negde 14.dana ili 10.dana pa da se vratis. to je nesto sto sam ja cuo
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Kao sto sam ti rekao, ti imas pravo da dodjes i da zivis ovde, mozes da iznajmis i stan, ali da li ces to da uspes to je vec drugo pitanje, jer prvo niko nece da ti da stan bez boravisne dozvole, sad da li ces biti u hotelu ili kod prijatelja, rodbine ili neko xxx resenje to njih ne zanima.

janedoue

Skapirao sam da ne mogu zvanicno da se prijavim na biro i da radim do 2014 ... al mislim da ovo sa izlaskom iz zemlje posle tri meseca nije potrebno ... hvala u svakom slucaju!


elmagico

Axa ... dobro ... a shta bi me ti posavetovao da uradim kad dobijem drzavljanstvo!? ... Ti si iskusan i dugo si godina tu i realno znash kako stoje stvari ... i shta bi ti licno uradio da si na mom mestu ... da otprilike u maju ili junu dolazish u Svajcarsku sa Bugarskim papirima ... kako bi krenuo!?

Drzavljani Rumunije i Bugarske nemaju pravo na rad u Svajcarskoj. Najverovatniji termin jer do 31.Maja 2016:
http://www.bfm.admin.ch/conten...hweiz/bulgarien_rumaenien.html

U tvom slucaju je bolja solucija da sa bugarskim pasosem pokusas u nekoj EU zemlji...

Pozdrav!

igor-ch

Hvala Igore ... al nemam nigde nikog u nekoj drugoj EU zemlji ... A da idem par godina u neku zemlju da imigriram pa da se posle prebacujem tu i ponovo od pocetka ... bash i nije mi neko idealno reshenje ...
Ae reci mi shta mislish o ovome?
http://www.bfm.admin.ch/conten...eu_efta/ausweis_b_eu_efta.html

Da li mogu da dobijem permit B posle nekog vremena provedenog tu? ...
Juce sam pricao sa dva prijatelja tu iz CH-a ... kakve su mi mogucnosti ... i kazu mi da mogu sigurno da radim neke poslove ... predpostavljam neke pocetne (konobarisanje) shto bi me i zadovoljilo ... i kazu mi da za nepunih godinu dana ili godinu dana dobijam permit B a do tada radim preko BG pasosha ... Shta mislish ti o tome?

Ljudi ja imam mozda jedno glupo pitanje koji se jezik prica u Zenevi???

Francuski

Mozda bi mogao da pokusas da ti neko, ko ima firmu, otvori radnu dozvolu - pa makar i "provizorno":

Citat:

Voraussetzungen für die Aufnahme einer unselbstständigen Erwerbstätigkeit
Bulgarische und rumänische Staatsangehörige können bis auf Weiteres nur unter Berück-sichtigung der folgenden Einschränkungen zur Aufnahme einer Erwerbstätigkeit zugelassen werden:
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Kontrolle des Inländervorranges (Bevorzugte Berücksichtigung von In- und Auslän-dern, die sich bereits auf dem schweizerischen Arbeitsmarkt befinden)
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Kontrolle der Lohn- und Arbeitsbedingungen
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Separate, jährlich ansteigende Höchstzahlen für Kurzaufenthalts- und Aufenthaltsbe-willigungen. Für den Zeitraum zwischen 1. Juni 2011 und 31. Mai 2012 sind 6'355 Kurzaufenthaltsbewilligungen L EU/EFTA und 684 Aufenthaltsbewilligungen B EU/EFTA freigegeben. Für die nächste Periode werden 7'722 und 885 Bewilligungen freigegeben.
Bulgarische und rumänische Staatsangehörige benötigen im Fall eines Stellenantritts in der Schweiz vom ersten Arbeitstag an eine Arbeits- und Aufenthaltsbewilligung, selbst wenn sie eine Erwerbstätigkeit von weniger als drei Monaten ausüben wollen.
Kurzaufenthalter bis vier Monate unterliegen zwar der Bewilligungspflicht, können aber kon-tingentsfrei zugelassen werden, wenn die Qualifikationsvoraussetzung nach Artikel 23 AuG erfüllt ist.
Für die Erteilung sind jeweils die kantonalen Behörden zuständig.

Evo jedan text na engleskom koji pojasnjava prava i postupak imigracije

Residence and work permits in Switzerland
How to apply for a residency or work permit in Switzerland for you and your family.
Switzerland has a high migration rate. Foreigners now make up more than a fifth of the Swiss population, with the number of foreigners increasing more than five-fold since WWII, compared to a total population increase of 60 percent.


Residence and work permits
Anyone who works during their stay in Switzerland or who remains in Switzerland for longer than three months requires a residence permit, issued by the Cantonal Migration Offices. A distinction is made between short-term residence permits (less than one year), annual residence permits (limited) and permanent residence permits (unlimited).

There are three aspects to consider when applying for a permit. First, Switzerland is a federal republic consisting of 26 cantons (regions). Each canton has Cantonal Migration Offices which are responsible for issuing residence permits, and Cantonal Labour Offices which are responsible for work authorisation. Although all cantons operate under the same federal law, each canton has some autonomy over immigration into the region. Therefore, individual cantons are the first resource for information regarding requirements for work and residence permits. See the Swiss Confederation website at www.bfm.admin.ch for contact details of the various cantons.

Second, obtaining a work permit differs according to your place of origin. Switzerland has a dual system for the admission of foreign workers. For employed nationals from EU/EFTA states, the Agreement on the Free Movement of Persons applies (to varying degrees; see below) leading to a straightforward permit process not subject to quotas. Only a limited number of management-level employees, specialists and other qualified employees are admitted from other countries.

Third, your type of employment (local hire, assignment, period of employment) can determine whether you are granted a work permit.


Agreement on the Free Movement of Persons
In 1999, the EU and Switzerland signed seven two-way agreements including the Agreement on the Free Movement of Persons, which began in 2002. The agreement allows Europeans in Switzerland access to the Swiss employment market, regardless of their qualifications. The agreement was later changed to gradually introduce ten new EU member states beginning 2006. Because the agreement is still being implemented, transitional measures still apply to some member states.

For citizens of the EU-17/EFTA (France, Germany, Austria, Italy, Spain, Portugal, the UK, Republic of Ireland, Denmark, Sweden, Finland, Belgium, the Netherlands, Luxemburg, Greece, Cyprus, Malta, Norway, Iceland und Liechtenstein) the Free Movement of Persons fully applies.

Work and residence permits issued to citizens of the EU-8 (Poland, the Czech Republic, Slovakia, Hungary, Estonia, Latvia, Lithuania and Slovenia) are subject to quotas and additional regulation - unlike citizens of EU member states as restrictions for those EU countries have been lifted, effective 1 May 2011.

The Free Movement of Persons Agreement applies to nationals from Bulgaria and Romania from 1 June 2009.

Labour / Work permits


In general, EU-17/EFTA nationals working in Switzerland may stay in Switzerland without a residence permit for three months (90 days) in a calendar year, although their employer must register them with the Cantonal Labour Office. The employer may go to www.meweb.admin.ch to do this online. It is also possible to obtain a 120-day permit with sporadic in and out trips for all EU nationals including the new Eastern European member states, which are not subject to quotas.

People who work in the construction, hospitality, cleaning, surveillance, security and travelling sales industries must register with the authorities from the first day of their activity, regardless of its duration.

Any non-Swiss national who works in Switzerland for longer than three months requires a permit.

G permit: Cross-border commuter
Workers receive this permit if they are EU/EFTA residents and work in Switzerland. They may stay in Switzerland, but must return abroad at least once a week and register their Swiss residence with the communal authorities. For EU-17/EFTA nationals, no border zones apply; residence can be anywhere in the EU/EFTA and the workplace can be anywhere in Switzerland. For EU-8 nationals, residence and workplace must lie within designated border zones. (Contact your cantonal labour market authority for details.)

The following guide provides a timeline for the required types of permits:

EU-17/EFTA nationals

9 - 90 days of employment: registration (no permit required)
120-day permit with sporadic in and out trips
3 - 12 months: L permit (short-term residence permit)
12 months or more: B permit (residence permit)
5 years or more: C permit (settlement permit)
8 days per calendar year: in general without permit and registration
Cross-border Commuter Permit: G permit
Work permit for family members of an international civil servant: Ci permit

EU-8 and other country nationals
120-day permit with sporadic in and out trips (for EU-8 nationals, not subject to quotas)
Up to 12 months of employment: L permit (short-term residence permit, quota)
12 months or more: B permit (residence permit, quota)
10 years or more: C permit (settlement permit)
8 days per calendar year: in general without permit
Cross-border Commuter Permit: G permit (for EN-8 nationals)
Work permit for family members of an international civil servant: Ci permit

Within eight days of arrival and before beginning work, nationals of EU-17/EFTA states must register with the communal authorities at their Swiss place of residence and apply for a residence permit; a valid ID (such as a passport) and written confirmation of employment must be presented. Further documentation requirements can vary according to your type of employment and canton of residence; contact the respective communal authorities or the cantonal migration authorities for specific requirements. You will need the following standard required documents for a work and residence permit application:


A copy of passport (for the employee and any accompanying family members)
A current résumé (CV)
Copies of higher education certificates
Copy of signed employment contract
Copy of birth certificate
Copy of marriage certificate
Most third country nationals do need a visa in order to legally enter Switzerland and to take up employment. The visa needs to be picked up at the Swiss Embassy in your home country before entering Switzerland.

In addition, non-EU nationals usually need to provide the competent authorities with a Criminal Record. This document is a compulsory requirement for the work permit and residence application.

While there are similar work permit requirements for nationals of EU-8 and other countries, the Swiss authorities will generally require that you also fulfil the following conditions:

Local worker priority: No local equivalent worker (Swiss national or foreigner already in the Swiss labour market) is available to fill the position.
The wage and working conditions must meet local, professional and industry standards.
The canton's quota for that permit must not be exhausted.
For third country nationals, the applicant must demonstrate his/her relevant qualifications, such as graduation title and relevant work experience.

Bringing family members
Family members are defined as spouses, children and grandchildren under the age of 21, and parents and grandparents who are financially supported by the worker. Family members of EU/EFTA employed nationals are granted an EU/EFTA permit even if they are non-EU/EFTA nationals but live permanently in an EU/EFTA country. The validity of the permit is limited to the duration of the main holder's position. Family members may work, but must notify the cantonal authorities before doing so.

igor-ch

Hvala Igore ... probacu tako neshto da vidim ... imam josh par meseci ... nadam se da cu neshto da nadjem i sredim!

Ajde jod jednom da pitam (mislim da je vec pomenuto): Kako stoji stvar sa diplomama? Jel treba da se prevode ili nostrifikuju? Ili je dovoljno radno iskustvo i certifikati, ili da se dokaze da se zna posao?

@ sunny boy

Zavisi koje diplome i koji sertifikati.

npr. Microsoft sertifikati - priznati su, i svi slicni

Mislim na diplome faxa, srednje skole...

Za MS certifikate znam.

Pitam da bih znao da li traze skolske diplome pri zaposljavanju, u mom slucaju IT sektor. To mi je malo blesavo, jer to sto sam pre 20 godina diplomirao elektrotehniku nema veze sa radom na AD administratora. Ali ako treba, onda da prevodim diplome...

Ovde me vec odavno niko ne pita sta sam studirao, vec sta dobro znam da radim.

Mozda poslodavca ne interesuje tvoja diploma, ali ako ti ponudi posao i aplicira za tvoju radnu dozvolu morace da je prilozi (meni su trazili). Ako tvoja diploma nema veze sa poslom koji ti je ponudjen, moze imigraciono da pravi probleme.

Imam pitanje za Elmagica i ostale koji su otisli u Švicu na osnovu venčanja ili fiktivnog braka. Dakle interesuje me sta osoba koja zivi u Švici mora da poseduje od Svajcarskih dokumenata da bi se dobila za bračnog druga prvo radna B viza ili permin pa onda C za svajcarsko državljnstvo nakon 5 godina?Pitanje je konkretno vezano za nase ljude koji su otisli tamo i dobili Švajcarski pasoš na osnovu braka da li oni mogu da pomognu nekom od naših da dodje tamo i da dobije isto tako Švajcarski pasoš?

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Bluewhale

@Bluewhale
Da bi se dobila B viza na osnovi spajanja porodice, osoba koja zivi u CH mora da ima najmanje B vizu.
Medjutim, mnogo je bolje da ta osoba ima C vizu ili CH drzavljanstvo, jer u tom slucaju onaj ko dolazi u Svajcarsko ranije stice pravo da aplicira za C tj. za CH drzavljanstvo....
Inace, ima jos puno razloga zbog cega je C viza bolja, ali "otom-potom"...

Igore da li ti znas mozda da li osoba koja ima Permin B a treba da dobije C za tri godine da li on moze na napravi brak sa nasim drzavljaninom?A da ta osoba koja se udaje/zeni da li dobija radnu dozvolu tj permin B ako stupi u brak sa nekim ko ima takodje permin B?Koliko godina mora da bude u braku da bi dobio/la papire za ostanak u Švajcarskoj?

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1. naravno da moze
2. dobija B vizu na osnovu spajanja porodice - sa tom boravnom vizom stice se pravo i na rad u CH
3. dok ne dobije C vizu mora da bude u braku

@elmagico
@ivan dimkovic
Predlazem da otvorimo jednu favorit-temu o emigraciji i zivotu u CH, u kojoj bi bile na pocetku teme bile objasnjene ovakve stvari (vize, brak, zaposljenje, skole...). Ovako dolazimo u situaciju da stalno odgovaramo na ista pitanja, a ni za ljude koje ovo zanima nije jednostavno kada moraju da procitaju ovako obimne teme ne bi li nasli ono sto ih zanima.