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icon Windows 7 particionise kako mu volja...16.09.2009. u 15:04 - pre 147 meseci
Imam Lenovo S10e, i na njemu SSD od 4GB i jedan klasican HDD od 160gb.

Instalirao sam Windows7, i kada je doslo do particionisanja, ja sam samo
particionisao HDD (napravio C i D particije), i rekao mu da se instlira na C disk.
( o SSD-u nije bilo ni govora! )

Medjutim, Win7 je bez ikakvog pitanja SAM NAPRAVIO JOS JEDNU PARTICIJU
na SSD disku od 4 gb (oko 100mb valjda), sto sam tek posle primetio.

Dakle, koji je ovo fazon da installer pravi sam particije gde mu volja,
i da li i kako sada mogu da uklonim tu partciju a da WIn7 instalacija
na C disku i dalje bude funkcinalna?

(jel ima neka opcija iz Win7 da se ne koristi ta particija, pa da mogu
bezbedno da je obrisem?)
 
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icon Re: Windows 7 particionise kako mu volja...16.09.2009. u 15:09 - pre 147 meseci
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For Windows 7 users who do not intend to use BitLocker, the 100 MB partition can be removed subsequently and easily in Disk Management, the built-in partition manager of Windows 7.


Ovo kaze ovde: http://www.vista123.net/conten...tion-when-installing-windows-7

Da li je sigurno da je samo uklonim? (ne zanima me BitLocker)
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icon Re: Windows 7 particionise kako mu volja...16.09.2009. u 16:03 - pre 147 meseci
Ne briši tu particiju! Na toj particiji se nalazi boot manager...
 
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icon Re: Windows 7 particionise kako mu volja...16.09.2009. u 16:07 - pre 147 meseci
Pronasao sam ovo:
http://forums.mydigitallife.info/showthread.php?t=9661

Napominjem da nisam probao licno (nisam imao potrebu :D) vec sam samo letimicno procitao.
 
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icon Re: Windows 7 particionise kako mu volja...16.09.2009. u 16:34 - pre 147 meseci
e, jbg... vec sam je obrisao. Kad sam probao da butujem sa C particije, kaze
boot manager is missing (naravno) - e sad... koje je najlaksi nacin da vratim
boot manager, ALI NA "C" DISK? (HDD, prva particija).
 
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icon Re: Windows 7 particionise kako mu volja...16.09.2009. u 16:45 - pre 147 meseci
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Srđan Pavlović: e, jbg... vec sam je obrisao. Kad sam probao da butujem sa C particije, kaze
boot manager is missing (naravno) - e sad... koje je najlaksi nacin da vratim
boot manager, ALI NA "C" DISK? (HDD, prva particija).


http://www.ehow.com/how_4836283_repair-mbr-windows.html
 
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icon Re: Windows 7 particionise kako mu volja...16.09.2009. u 16:54 - pre 147 meseci
Oce onda opet onako po svom cefu da pravi neku particiju na nekom
drugom disku? :)

Bas sam kreirao jednu linux particiju na CELOM SSD-u (4gb), bas da vidim
da mu nece slucajno pasti na pamet da i pored kreirane particije to uradi...

Koja nebuloza, ne znam da li neki drugi OS prilikom instalacije pravi particije
na drugim diskovima tako samoinicijativno.... grrrrr ....
 
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icon Re: Windows 7 particionise kako mu volja...16.09.2009. u 17:14 - pre 147 meseci
Milan86 - ne radi ono (bootsect /nt C: - to kaze da je uspesno odradio), samo kaze:

"Operating system not found." posle restarta.

Ma on je drzao boot folder valjda na toj 100mb particiji, a sada ga uopste nema
(na C particiji ga nema, a ovu od 100mb sam obrisao)...

Ako ima jos neko neku ideju.. :)
 
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icon Re: Windows 7 particionise kako mu volja...16.09.2009. u 17:43 - pre 147 meseci
Jesi li probao butovati Windows 7 sa DVD-a/USB-a i izabrati opciju Repair your Computer?
 
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icon Re: Windows 7 particionise kako mu volja...16.09.2009. u 18:35 - pre 147 meseci
Da, probao sam boot sa USB-a (na kome mi je Win7) i Repair... i kaze da je
kao nesto popravio, medjutim i dalje poruka nakon restarta:

"Operating system not found."

Tamo u listi gde kao treba da nadje sve instalacije Windows-a,
stoji samo prazno, dakle nije prepoznao da mi je na C Windows7.
Napominjem da C disk uopste nisam dirao, dakle sve sto sam uradio
je da sam izbrisao particiju od 100mb sa SSD diska koji ne zelim da
mi okupira Win (ionako se rasirio na C kao shit over the desert)
 
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icon Re: Windows 7 particionise kako mu volja...16.09.2009. u 19:08 - pre 147 meseci
Nije trebalo da je brišeš na prvom mestu!
Ne vidim zašto ti to upšte smeta?
Windows 7 je prvi O.S. koji ima podršku za SSD ("ume da ga koristi") i sasvim je logično da je za boot particiju odabrao najbolje raspoloživo mesto.
Prebacivanje ove particije na HDD će samo rezultirati u nešto sporijem podizanju sistema...
Za kakve bi ti to druge namene, pametnije iskoristio tih 100MB na SSD?

Solid-state drive (Wikipedia)
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Advantages
Faster start-up, as no spin-up is required (RAM & flash).
Typically fast random access for reading, as there is no read/write head to move (RAM & flash).[22]
Extremely low read latency times, as SSD seek-times are orders of magnitude lower than the best hard disk drives, as of 2008.[23] (RAM) In applications where hard disk seeks are the limiting factor, this results in faster boot and application launch times (see Amdahl's law)[24] (RAM & flash).
Relatively deterministic read performance:[25] unlike hard disk drives, performance of SSDs is almost constant and deterministic across the entire storage. This is because the seek time is almost instant and does not depend on the physical location of the data, and so, file fragmentation has almost no impact on read performance.
No noise: a lack of moving parts makes SSDs completely silent, apart from cooling fans on a few high-end and high-capacity SSDs.
For low-capacity flash SSDs, low power consumption and heat production when in active use, although high-end SSDs and DRAM-based SSDs may have significantly higher power requirements (flash).
High mechanical reliability, as the lack of moving parts almost eliminates the risk of "mechanical" failure (RAM & flash).
Ability to endure extreme shock, high altitude, vibration and extremes of temperature: once again because there are no moving parts.[26] This makes SSDs useful for laptops, mobile computers, and devices that operate in extreme conditions (flash).[24]
Larger range of operating temperatures. Typical hard drives have an operating range of 5-55 degrees C. Most flash drives can operate at 70 degrees, and some industrial grade drives can operate over an even wider temperature range.[27]
For low-capacity SSDs, lower weight and size: although size and weight per unit storage are still better for traditional hard drives, and microdrives allow up to 20 GB storage in a CompactFlash 42.8×36.4×5 mm (1.7×1.4×.2 in) form-factor. Up to 256 GB, as of 2008 SSDs are lighter than hard drives of the same capacity.[26]
When failures occur, they tend to happen predominantly while writing, or erasing cells, rather than upon reading cells. With magneto-mechanical drives, failures tend to occur while reading. If a drive detects failure on write operations, data can be written to a new location. If a drive fails on read, then data is usually lost permanently.[28]

Disadvantages
Cost: As of mid-2008, SSD prices are still considerably higher per gigabyte than are comparable conventional hard drives: consumer-grade drives are typically US$1.50 to US$3.45 per GB[18][29] for flash drives and over US$10.00 per GB for RAM-based compared to about US$0.38 or less per gigabyte for hard drives.[18]
Capacity: As of 2008, far lower than that of conventional hard drives (Flash SSD capacity is predicted to increase rapidly, with experimental drives of 1 TB,[30][31] but hard drive capacity also continues to expand, and hard drives are likely to maintain their capacity edge for some time).[32]
Asymmetric Read vs. Write Performance: Unlike other architectural elements in the memory hierarchy, storage devices based on NAND Flash memory suffer from write performance that is typically two orders of magnitude slower than read performance. Many computer applications rely on synchronous patterns of read/write operations, wherein a given write or update must be completed and the write confirmed before additional application read requests can be issued. These include transaction processing applications, computer operating system "boot-up" and even basic forms of parity-based RAID. For these applications a Flash SSD can actually be slower than a hard disk drive, due to the inability of applications to place subsequent read-requests into the device queue until previous write operations have been completed and acknowledged.[33]
Lower storage density: Hard disks can store more data per unit volume than DRAM or flash SSDs, except for very low capacity/small devices.
Limited write (erase) cycles: Flash-memory cells will often wear out after 1,000 to 10,000 write cycles for MLC, and up to 100,000 write cycles for SLC[18], while high endurance cells may have an endurance of 1–5 million write cycles (many log files, file allocation tables, and other commonly used parts of the file system exceed this over the lifetime of a computer).[34][35][36] Special file systems or firmware designs can mitigate this problem by spreading writes over the entire device (so-called wear leveling), rather than rewriting files in place.[37] In 2008 wear leveling was just beginning to be incorporated into consumer level devices.[18] However, effective write cycles can be much less, because when a write request is made to a particular memory block, all data in the block is overwritten even when only part of the memory is altered. The write amplification, as referred by Intel, can be reduced using write memory buffer.[38] In combination with wear leveling, over-provisioning SSD flash drives with spared memory capacity also delays the loss of user-accessible memory capacity. NAND memory can be negatively impacted by read and program (write) disturbs arising from over accessing a particular NAND location. This overuse of NAND locations causes bits within the NAND block to erroneously change values. Wear leveling, by redirecting SSD writes to lesser-used NAND locations, thus reduces the potential for program or write disturbs.[39] An example for the lifetime of SSD is explained in detail in this wiki.[dubious – discuss] SSDs based on DRAM, however, do not suffer from this problem.
As a result of wear leveling and write combining, the performance of SSDs degrades with use [40][41]. Eventually, wear leveling will use each page on the drive at least once, so further writes always involve a block erase. Although write combining (if supported by the device) offers advantages, it causes internal fragmentation in the SSD which degrades the sequential read speed. However, such fragmentation can be mitigated by the operating system, using the TRIM command.
Slower write speeds: As erase blocks on flash-based SSDs generally are quite large (e.g. 0.5 - 1 megabyte)[18], they are far slower than conventional disks during small writes (write amplification effect) and can suffer from write fragmentation.[42] Recent SSDs mitigate this problem using large DRAM write buffers and intelligent controllers. Also, modern copy-on-write or log-structured file systems (e.g., btrfs or NILFS) write linearly to the disk, not triggering the write amplification effect. SSDs based on DRAM, which do this several orders of magnitude faster than conventional disks, do not suffer from this problem.
DRAM-based SSDs (but not Flash-based SSDs) require more power than hard disks, when operating; and they still use power when the computer is turned off, while hard disks do not


PS
Windows 7 RTM: Kako izbeći pravljenje skrivene particije (100MB)
 
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icon Re: Windows 7 particionise kako mu volja...16.09.2009. u 19:18 - pre 147 meseci
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Nije trebalo da je brišeš na prvom mestu!
Ne vidim zašto ti to upšte smeta?
Windows 7 je prvi O.S. koji ima podršku za SSD ("ume da ga koristi") i sasvim je logično da je za boot particiju odabrao najbolje raspoloživo mesto.
Prebacivanje ove particije na HDD će samo rezltirati u nešto sporijem podizanju sistema...
Za kakve bi ti to druge namene, pametnije iskoristio tih 100MB na SSD?


Smeta mi zato sto Windows installer nije dao informaciju da ce nekakvu
particiju od 100mb da napravi na disku na koji sam ja planirao da stavim nesto drugo.
Odnosno, dao je samo informaciju da ce da napravi particiju od 100mb, ali ne i da
ce to da uradi na STORAGE PROSTORU koju MU NIJE NAMENJEN TOKOM INSTALACIJE.

U koje namene cu ja da koristim SSD, to je valjda na meni da odlucim, recimo ja
sam odlucio da ceo SSD bude posvecen Linux-u, ali to je moglo biti bilo sta drugo.
Dakle, nema nista "logicno" u tome da te OS installer ne obavesti kada pravi nekakvu
particiju na disku koji je on odabrao po zelji.

Ail dobro, to i nije tema, dakle pitanje je samo da li je sada moguce vratiti
Win7 u normalno stanje (bez te particije), a ako nije moracu da pribegnem
ponovnoj instalaciji i "hakovanju" kako ne bi pravio particije gde mu volja (dziiiizsss).
 
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icon Re: Windows 7 particionise kako mu volja...16.09.2009. u 23:24 - pre 147 meseci
Uradi Repair instalaciju.
 
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icon Re: Windows 7 particionise kako mu volja...16.09.2009. u 23:58 - pre 147 meseci
Ovoga puta sam prvo instalirao Linux na CITAV SSD, a Win7 cu da uradim ponovo cistu
instalaciju na HDD.

Nadam se da Win7 installer nije toliko blesav, da mi pregazi Linux particije na SSD-u...
e to bi vec bilo malo previse...
Aj nema veze, da nije ovoga za'eba bilo, ne bih testirao Ubuntu Alfa-5.. :)
 
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icon Re: Windows 7 particionise kako mu volja...17.09.2009. u 00:31 - pre 147 meseci
Procitaj ovaj clanak (za svaki slucaj):

http://www.mydigitallife.info/...ion-when-installing-windows-7/
 
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icon Re: Windows 7 particionise kako mu volja...17.09.2009. u 00:43 - pre 147 meseci
Procitao sam vec to, ali sam sada ponovo instalirao Win7, ali sam pre toga
zauzeo citav SSD Linux-om (dakle svih 4GB koliko mu je kapacitet), tako da
sada prosto sumnjam da ce Win Installer-u da padne na pamet da prepise
moje podatke sa SSD-a, nadam se...

(Traje instalacija, pa cu da vidim kad zavrsi sta je uradio)
 
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icon Re: Windows 7 particionise kako mu volja...17.09.2009. u 01:10 - pre 147 meseci
Dobro je, ovoga puta nije pravio nista na SSD-u jer je bio ceo iskoriscen :)
 
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icon Re: Windows 7 particionise kako mu volja...17.09.2009. u 01:45 - pre 147 meseci
Ne boj se. I Vista je retardirana sto se tice instalacije na racunare sa vise hard diskova Od Viste je krenulo to shizenje Nisam ni sumnjao da ce Win7 da nastavi sa tom tradicijom.
 
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icon Re: Windows 7 particionise kako mu volja...17.09.2009. u 02:05 - pre 147 meseci
Nemam nikakve zamerke na rad Win7, cak stavise jako lepo radi,
ali ova konkretna stvar sa pravljenjem particije na drugom disku
me stvarno iznervirala propisno :)
 
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icon Re: Windows 7 particionise kako mu volja...17.09.2009. u 03:26 - pre 147 meseci
i ta od 100MB je u FAT-u? kako to beshe, kad imamo mbr i gpt tip particije pravi se jos jedna particija velicine od 100MB-1GB i sa nje krece boot

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