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icon Windows 7: No direct upgrade from Vista in Europe25.06.2009. u 16:28 - pre 147 meseci
http://blogs.zdnet.com/microsoft/?p=3174

Hihihi, prljava borba izmedju Microsoft-a i EU birokrata pocinje - naravno, preko ledja potrosaca :-)

Dobra vest je da ce do kraja godine "Windows 7 E" biti dostupan po cenama upgrade-a u ostalim zemljama.

Losa vest je da "Windows 7 E" nece apgrejdovati ni jedan stari OS i, vrlo verovatno, ce pocetkom sledece godine kostati koliko i "obican" Windows.

Tako da, zahvaljujuci pohlepnim EU birokratama i dr*adzijama iz Opere ce gradjani EU dobijati manje za iste pare od ostalih od 1.1.2010 ali ce, eto, imati kratak period da kupe "Win 7 E" po ceni upgrade-a.

Ako je to "more consumer choice" iliti ultimativni razlog zasto EU komisija vodi bitku sa MSFT-om... onda sam ja crvenkapa.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/technology/8118749.stm

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A Commission spokesman dismissed Microsoft's claim that it was taking the action to comply with European laws.

"The essential point of our case is consumer choice," said the spokesman.
...
The preferred remedy for Europe, he said, was to offer users a screen when they first switch on Windows 7 that gives them a choice between IE, Chrome, Firefox, Safari or Opera.


Wow... a jel moze da se kupi Mercedes sa Toyota-inim farovima, ili Airbus sa Boeing-ovim tapacirungom?

Jel bi i to moglo da se nazove "preferred remedy for Europe"

I zasto bas ova 4 browsera, sto ne i Lynx, Konqueror i jos XYZ browsera - nije lepo da ogranicavate consumer choice.
DigiCortex (ex. SpikeFun) - Cortical Neural Network Simulator:
http://www.digicortex.net/node/1
Demo Videos: http://www.digicortex.net/node/17
Gallery: http://www.digicortex.net/node/25
 
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icon Re: Windows 7: No direct upgrade from Vista in Europe25.06.2009. u 20:55 - pre 147 meseci
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Wow... a jel moze da se kupi Mercedes sa Toyota-inim farovima, ili Airbus sa Boeing-ovim tapacirungom?

Jel bi i to moglo da se nazove "preferred remedy for Europe"

I zasto bas ova 4 browsera, sto ne i Lynx, Konqueror i jos XYZ browsera - nije lepo da ogranicavate consumer choice.

Wow... a jel softver fizički ograničen sa veličinom, oblikom i dizajnom... nije. Ako neki tamo haker može da ti da taj izbor u npr. LastXP zar ne mogu Microsoftovi developeri?

Jup rat između EU i MSFT je počeo. Sakrivaj se ko može. Ili nabavljaj tzv. "narodske verzije".

 
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icon Re: Windows 7: No direct upgrade from Vista in Europe25.06.2009. u 21:12 - pre 147 meseci
A mi, koji nismo u Evropi (još)...?

 
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icon Re: Windows 7: No direct upgrade from Vista in Europe25.06.2009. u 21:17 - pre 147 meseci
Mislim da tehnički jesmo (kao kontinent i tržište).

Za nas su i ovako narodne verzije.
 
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icon Re: Windows 7: No direct upgrade from Vista in Europe25.06.2009. u 21:39 - pre 147 meseci
Tehnički sam se samo šalio (naravno), a što se tiče upgrade instalacije Vista > Win7, ako ikako postoji mogućnost bolje je uraditi novu instalaciju "od nule"...

PS
...znam da tema nema veze sa samom instalacijom...
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icon Re: Windows 7: No direct upgrade from Vista in Europe25.06.2009. u 21:46 - pre 147 meseci
Ove gluposti se odnose samo na zemlje koje pripadaju Evropskoj uniji.

U Srbiji će se prodavati neosakaćene verzije softvera, baš kao i u ostatku sveta.
 
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icon Re: Windows 7: No direct upgrade from Vista in Europe25.06.2009. u 22:14 - pre 147 meseci
The Windows blog: Announcing the Windows 7 Upgrade Option Program & Windows 7 Pricing – Bring on GA!
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As Brad describes in the video, for Europe, we will not have a separate upgrade SKU for the packaged retail product versions of Windows 7 at GA. But we will be offering upgrade pricing on our full licenses to make sure that European customers who want to upgrade have the pricing options available in the rest of the world.

 
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icon Re: Windows 7: No direct upgrade from Vista in Europe25.06.2009. u 22:36 - pre 147 meseci
ovo vec postaje zalosno :)

hajde sad lepo "peticija" za alternativni calculator i paint i notepad,pa mangupi jedni,kako smeju da drze monopol na tome,a tek process viewer,ccc
 
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icon Re: Windows 7: No direct upgrade from Vista in Europe26.06.2009. u 08:11 - pre 147 meseci
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Horvat: hajde sad lepo "peticija" za alternativni calculator i paint i notepad,pa mangupi jedni,kako smeju da drze monopol na tome,a tek process viewer,ccc


To je samo vrlo osakaćena lista nelegalnih monopola stečenih preko monopola Windows-a. Zaboravio si na tekst procesore (WordPad), ostale segmente multimedije (sound recorder), šahovski softver (Chess Titans), kartaške igre (FreeCell, Solitaire, Spider Solitaire, Hearts) i da ne nabrajam dalje.

Umesto lepo da isporuče kernel sa PDF-om "Windows From Scratch" (po uzoru na http://www.linuxfromscratch.org/), pa sam svoj majstor. Nema šta da ti neko monopoliše ostale segmente preko kernela. Grafika se lepo realizuje preko W servera po ugledu na X server, pa lepo ljudi prave svako svoj menadžer prozora, okruženje, pa imaš lepo i tu konkurenciju i milina jedna.

Uostalom, ko kaže da je kernel jedan segmet. Ima tu podrške za datotečni sistem, pa upravljanje memorijom, pa da ne nabrajam dalje. Ihaj, ima tu segmenata i segmenata. Idealno za "sam svoj majstor" projekat.
Nije bitno koji su zaključci izvučeni, već kako se do njih došlo.
 
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icon Re: Windows 7: No direct upgrade from Vista in Europe27.06.2009. u 08:07 - pre 147 meseci
I find your lack of good sarcasm, disturbing.
 
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icon Re: Windows 7: No direct upgrade from Vista in Europe28.06.2009. u 00:23 - pre 147 meseci
Celu frku je izgleda zamesio BBC namerno izostavljajuci bitnu informaciju da pomenuti Upgrade nece biti ponudjen evropskom trzistu 22.10.2009 (sto ne znaci i da ga uopste nece biti, ali nesto kasnije...)

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Thus a typical upgrade edition of Windows 7E, free or otherwise, will not be available on October 22. Certainly Microsoft has to make something available in Europe on "GA-Day," so it will present Windows 7E's full retail edition on October 22, for the price it would normally charge for the upgrade edition. Those prices will be revealed, we're told, on July 15. However, customers purchasing the earliest Win7E on that date will not be able to use it to upgrade their Vista-based PCs and keep their programs -- only a clean install will be permitted.

But that led the BBC to lead its story with the remarkable statement, "Microsoft will not be offering an upgrade version of Windows 7 in Europe," based on a comment from UK company spokesperson John Curran which the BBC ran as follows: "We will not be able to offer an upgrade product within Europe."

The part about October 22 was omitted, thus making Curran appear to say that a Win7E upgrade would never be available.


Microsoft's spokesperson did make it clear to us the company is keeping its options open, which may mean a real Windows 7E upgrade edition could be pushed past the end of the year. "We are still working through our best approaches to the market," the spokesperson said. "We will provide more details on future plans when they are available, but we are committed to making sure that existing Windows customers in Europe continue to have a choice of 'Upgrade pricing' options available in the rest of the world." UPDATE Late Friday evening, the spokesperson offered a clarification, stating that this sentence referred to the company's intent to offer pre-order deals, such as those first offered to US customers on Friday.

That may be especially difficult now that US customers who buy HP or Lenovo PCs with Vista pre-installed, from today forward, will be eligible for free Windows 7 upgrades. The North American editions of the product will not include the option to leave IE uninstalled.



 
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