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icon Problemi sa pingom ka sbb game serveru08.06.2009. u 01:27 - pre 180 meseci
Pozdrav svima.
Imam telekom adsl 4096/256 i u zadnjih nedelju dana imam probleme sa pingom prema sbb Counter Strike 1.6 serveru. . . Ranije je bio ~30, sada je ~80.
IP je 82.117.200.68 portovi 27015 i 27016. . .
Shta mozhe da bude uzrok tome, dokle ce to da traje i da li ja mogu neshto povodom toga da uradim ?
Kad neshto ne znash - PITAJ!!! - www.elitesecurity.org -

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icon Re: Problemi sa pingom ka sbb game serveru08.06.2009. u 09:03 - pre 180 meseci
Naime od pre 3 dana neshto je zestoko puklo na relaciji TELEKOM-SBB ... korisnici SBB mrezhe ne vide servere hostovane kod Telekoma Srbije , a i kada se vidi poneki server (Counter-Strike) ping ide i do 70 umesto da je 10 kao uvek..takodje sad vidi da korisnici ADSL-a imaju problema sa pingom ka serverima dignutim kod SBB-a, shto znachi da je problem uzajaman tj problemi u oba smera :/ , korisnici ADSL-a normalno igraju na serverima hostovanim kod Telekoma ,u odnosu na nas sa SBB mreze :/
Evo informacije od ROOT-a na KGB-HOSTINGu koji dize servere u Telekomu Srbije :
iGGi

Treba sacekati i videti da li se telekom i sbb napraviti peer vezu sa telekomom i sbbovim novim linkom, ako ne naprave bojim se da su sbb-ovi korisnici zavrsili sa serverima u koji su na telekom linku, a ja mnogo vise volim telekom link jer tamo imam 80% masina i servera i mnogo bolje radi od eunetovog koji je i mnogo skup tako da nemam nameru da selim servere osim ako vlasnik istog to ne kaze

kgb ne mogu da stavim na eunet jer ce opet ovi poceti ddos i pasce sve a na telekomu ne mogu da rade ddos

sacekati da vidimo da li ce povezati telekom i sbb pa kud pukne

@ Tako da ne ostaje nishta nego sachekati da se popravi stanje,bilo bi lepo ako neko iz SBB-a chita ovu temu -;-

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icon Re: Problemi sa pingom ka sbb game serveru11.06.2009. u 17:06 - pre 180 meseci
Poštovani korisnici,

SBB kao nacionalni Internet provajder više ne kupuje Internet kapacitete od Telekoma Srbija, pa s obzirom da nije uspostavljen peering saobraćaj između dva nacionalna operatera, komunikacija između korisnika dva provajdera ide dužim putem. U osnovi ove promene je povećano kašnjenje paketa između korisnika dva provajdera, koje je zbog prirode Game servisa jedino ugrozilo Internet igrače koji koriste game servere koji se nalaze kod drugog provajdera. Problem za game korisnike je obostran! Tehnički gledano sve rute i tehnologije su poptuno ispravne, ali na žalost mi nismo u mogućnosti da popravimo vaš ping odziv za pojedine game servere koji se hostuju na drugoj strani sve dok saradnja ne bude obostrana.

c/p sa SBB foruma
http://forum.sbb.rs/viewtopic....p;t=16705&p=166427#p166427

uzhas...i shta sad? Ima li neko ko se razume u ovakve stvari da mozhe da proceni , kada ce otprilike moci da se sve vrati na normalu?
Hvala,poz.
 
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icon Re: Problemi sa pingom ka sbb game serveru11.06.2009. u 19:20 - pre 180 meseci
Pa nista, to ti je sto ti je. Ako ne bude postojao peering izmedju sbb-a i telekoma imaces dodatnih 20-30ms u round trip time-u.
Ili da koristis nekog provajdera koji ima peering sa sbb-om, ako ti je to toliko bitno.



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icon Re: Problemi sa pingom ka sbb game serveru11.06.2009. u 21:31 - pre 180 meseci
Ima u ISP forumu top tema Peering Exchanges ali to je samo naznaceno da to postoji u svetu ali ne i kod nas.A s'obzirom kad pogledas nasu drzavu i sta se sve i kako se radi cisto sumnjam da ce i u skorijoj buducnosti biti tako nesto.Svi samo nesto muljaju,mute,muvaju.....
Ako neko ima neke informacije slobodno neka kaze...

Poz
Zastoooooooo !!!!!!!!!
 
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icon Re: Problemi sa pingom ka sbb game serveru12.06.2009. u 06:41 - pre 180 meseci
Sve i da postoji peering exchange point, opet je do clanica da li ce razmenjivati rute jedna sa drugom. U ovom slucaju, iako nema IX-a, postoji infrastruktura koja povezuje ta dva provajdera, ali je verovatnije da jednom od njih ne odgovara da to postoji
"99% of your thought process is protecting your self-conceptions,
and 98% of that is wrong."
 
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icon Re: Problemi sa pingom ka sbb game serveru19.06.2009. u 18:53 - pre 180 meseci
Kod nas ne postoji IX koliko znam jos uvek, ali su jos u vremene analognih parica veliki provideri imali peering izmedju sebe.
SBB i danas ima peering sa velikim providerima, i ne vidim zasto bi bio problem za SBB i Telekom da peer-uju kad npr. Telekom i Verat to rade.
Osim naravno prljave politike i sujete (jednog od ili oba ISP-a)....
 
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icon Re: Problemi sa pingom ka sbb game serveru19.06.2009. u 21:07 - pre 180 meseci
nije bash tacno... postoji nesto sto bi moglo da se zove IX, gde deo domacih provajdera razmenjuje saobracaj, ali tu SBB i Telekom nisu prisutni... zasto? pitati njih...
takodje, greska: telekom i verat nemaju peering...
“Choose a job you like, and you will never have to work a day of your life”
“Looking at small advantages prevents great affairs from being accomplished”

"Great power comes with great electricity bills"
"The fact that there's a highway to Hell but only a stairway to Heaven says a lot about
anticipated traffic volume"
"Fate: protects fools, little children, and ships named NCC-1701"
 
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icon Re: Problemi sa pingom ka sbb game serveru19.06.2009. u 21:27 - pre 180 meseci
Tracing route to www.sbb.rs [82.117.194.4]
over a maximum of 30 hops:

1 <1 ms <1 ms <1 ms 10.1.5.1
2 7 ms 9 ms 6 ms 77.46.236.1
3 7 ms 9 ms 6 ms ADSL65.telekom.yu [212.200.15.65]
4 19 ms 19 ms 21 ms 212.73.203.5
5 31 ms 31 ms 31 ms ae-9-9.ebr1.Frankfurt1.Level3.net [4.69.141.158]
6 53 ms 215 ms 219 ms ae-6-6.car1.Vienna1.Level3.net [4.69.135.33]
7 68 ms 59 ms 59 ms 212.73.203.206
8 59 ms 59 ms 61 ms bg-du-r-1-te3-0-0.sbb.rs [89.216.5.245]
9 60 ms 59 ms 58 ms bg-du-m-1-te8-4.sbb.rs [89.216.5.254]
10 58 ms 60 ms 58 ms bg-du-l-1-ge1-0-28.sbb.rs [89.216.5.10]
11 62 ms 59 ms 58 ms www.sbb.rs [82.117.194.4]


uffff... ovo je losije no sto sam mislio...

ha, a peer adrese za bgp speakere su iz iste /24 mreze... tako blizu, a tako daleko
“Choose a job you like, and you will never have to work a day of your life”
“Looking at small advantages prevents great affairs from being accomplished”

"Great power comes with great electricity bills"
"The fact that there's a highway to Hell but only a stairway to Heaven says a lot about
anticipated traffic volume"
"Fate: protects fools, little children, and ships named NCC-1701"
 
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icon Re: Problemi sa pingom ka sbb game serveru19.06.2009. u 21:55 - pre 180 meseci
Prosle nedelje je islo preko cogent-a, pa je bilo i za nijansu brze.


c857#ping 82.117.194.4 rep 100

Type escape sequence to abort.
Sending 100, 36-byte ICMP Echos to 82.117.194.4, timeout is 2 seconds:
!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Success rate is 100 percent (100/100), round-trip min/avg/max = 40/44/48 ms

"99% of your thought process is protecting your self-conceptions,
and 98% of that is wrong."
 
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icon Re: Problemi sa pingom ka sbb game serveru19.06.2009. u 22:02 - pre 180 meseci
mah... i dalje je previse... po ovom tvom pingu rekao bih da je isao do frankfurta opet, cogent izgleda ima manje opreme izmedju... svejedno, bezveze... vec postoji veza, sta ih kosta da naprave peering??? 15 minuta posla...
“Choose a job you like, and you will never have to work a day of your life”
“Looking at small advantages prevents great affairs from being accomplished”

"Great power comes with great electricity bills"
"The fact that there's a highway to Hell but only a stairway to Heaven says a lot about
anticipated traffic volume"
"Fate: protects fools, little children, and ships named NCC-1701"
 
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icon Re: Problemi sa pingom ka sbb game serveru19.06.2009. u 23:16 - pre 180 meseci
Citat:
takodje, greska: telekom i verat nemaju peering...


Pretpostavljam da imas direktne informacije, ja opet gledam laicki, ali kako onda ovo radi:

traceroute www.verat.net

Type escape sequence to abort.
Tracing the route to home.verat.net (85.222.160.152)

1 212.200.237.229 0 msec 4 msec 0 msec
2 212.200.227.229 [MPLS: Label 369072 Exp 0] 4 msec 0 msec 0 msec
3 212.200.232.94 [MPLS: Label 113 Exp 0] 0 msec 0 msec 4 msec
4 212.200.17.63 0 msec 0 msec 0 msec
5 195.178.34.126 4 msec 0 msec 4 msec
6 powerslave.noc.verat.net (62.108.96.68) 0 msec 4 msec 0 msec
7 home.verat.net (85.222.160.152) 4 msec 0 msec 0 msec

 
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icon Re: Problemi sa pingom ka sbb game serveru19.06.2009. u 23:49 - pre 180 meseci
To je tzv. 'plati pa se klati peering'...


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and 98% of that is wrong."
 
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icon Re: Problemi sa pingom ka sbb game serveru19.06.2009. u 23:51 - pre 180 meseci
verat je telekomov BGP customer, odnosno kupujemo internet i od telekoma kao backup, pored nasih nezavisnih linkova?

@optix: haha, tacno... nego nemoj da se pravite ludi, nego dizite taj peering...
“Choose a job you like, and you will never have to work a day of your life”
“Looking at small advantages prevents great affairs from being accomplished”

"Great power comes with great electricity bills"
"The fact that there's a highway to Hell but only a stairway to Heaven says a lot about
anticipated traffic volume"
"Fate: protects fools, little children, and ships named NCC-1701"
 
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icon Re: Problemi sa pingom ka sbb game serveru29.06.2009. u 20:00 - pre 180 meseci
2 ne40e.noc.verat.net (62.108.96.77) 0.698 ms 0.926 ms 1.172 ms
3 213-163-36-21.pool.invitel.hu (213.163.36.21) 58.348 ms 58.339 ms 58.795 ms
4 * * *
5 ten1-3.szek1pe1.invitel.net (213.163.54.218) 6.267 ms 6.231 ms 6.410 ms
6 xe-0-3-0.info-p1.invitel.net (213.163.54.197) 7.913 ms 7.952 ms 7.974 ms
7 ge-6-0-0.info-c1.invitel.net (213.163.54.245) 7.911 ms 8.055 ms 8.024 ms
8 ge-6-1-0.bud4core1.pantel.net (212.24.164.138) 8.453 ms 8.594 ms 8.115 ms
9 bpt-b2-link.telia.net (213.248.70.49) 8.038 ms 8.048 ms 8.047 ms
10 sbb-ic-129827-bpt-b2.c.telia.net (213.248.73.218) 19.756 ms 19.751 ms 19.735 ms
11 bg-du-m-1-te8-4.sbb.rs (89.216.5.254) 17.189 ms 17.424 ms 17.404 ms
12 bg-du-l-1-ge1-0-28.sbb.rs (89.216.5.10) 17.369 ms 17.601 ms 17.838 ms
13 www.sbb.rs (82.117.194.4) 16.824 ms 16.852 ms 16.829 ms


evo bar sa verata danas vidim da saobracaj ka SBB-u ide preko Telia-e i mnogo je "blizi" (~17ms)
“Choose a job you like, and you will never have to work a day of your life”
“Looking at small advantages prevents great affairs from being accomplished”

"Great power comes with great electricity bills"
"The fact that there's a highway to Hell but only a stairway to Heaven says a lot about
anticipated traffic volume"
"Fate: protects fools, little children, and ships named NCC-1701"
 
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icon Re: Problemi sa pingom ka sbb game serveru29.06.2009. u 21:40 - pre 180 meseci
Pa da, ne ide preko Nemacke...


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and 98% of that is wrong."
 
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icon Re: Problemi sa pingom ka sbb game serveru29.06.2009. u 22:24 - pre 180 meseci
preko verata ne, ali preko telekoma jos uvek ide okolo...

root@master:~# traceroute www.sbb.rs
traceroute to www.sbb.rs (82.117.194.4), 30 hops max, 38 byte packets
1 79-101-96-xx.static.isp.telekom.rs (79.101.96.xx) 0.562 ms 0.642 ms 0.665 ms
2 ffm-b3-link.telia.net (213.248.93.45) 22.449 ms 22.490 ms 22.405 ms
3 ffm-bb2-link.telia.net (80.91.249.142) 26.989 ms ffm-bb1-link.telia.net (80.91.249.138) 22.881 ms ffm-bb2-link.telia.net (80.91.249.142) 22.800 ms
4 bpt-b1-link.telia.net (80.91.251.185) 25.285 ms bpt-b1-link.telia.net (80.91.250.124) 25.074 ms bpt-b1-link.telia.net (80.91.251.185) 24.819 ms
5 bpt-b2-link.telia.net (213.248.96.94) 24.947 ms 24.977 ms 25.476 ms
6 sbb-ic-129827-bpt-b2.c.telia.net (213.248.73.218) 52.899 ms 55.090 ms 52.565 ms
7 bg-du-m-1-te8-4.sbb.rs (89.216.5.254) 51.466 ms 51.544 ms 51.492 ms
8 bg-du-l-1-ge1-0-28.sbb.rs (89.216.5.10) 51.617 ms 51.588 ms 51.706 ms
9 www.sbb.rs (82.117.194.4) 51.252 ms 51.350 ms 52.358 ms

“Choose a job you like, and you will never have to work a day of your life”
“Looking at small advantages prevents great affairs from being accomplished”

"Great power comes with great electricity bills"
"The fact that there's a highway to Hell but only a stairway to Heaven says a lot about
anticipated traffic volume"
"Fate: protects fools, little children, and ships named NCC-1701"
 
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icon Re: Problemi sa pingom ka sbb game serveru29.06.2009. u 22:33 - pre 180 meseci
C:\Documents and Settings\ricky>tracert www.sbb.rs

Tracing route to www.sbb.rs [82.117.194.4]
over a maximum of 30 hops:

1 <1 ms <1 ms <1 ms 10.1.5.1
2 6 ms 5 ms 5 ms 79.101.217.1
3 5 ms 5 ms 5 ms ADSL53.telekom.yu [212.200.15.53]
4 12 ms 11 ms 12 ms te1-3.ccr01.bud03.atlas.cogentco.com [149.6.182.21]
5 25 ms 12 ms 12 ms te3-3.ccr01.bud01.atlas.cogentco.com [130.117.3.73]
6 19 ms 21 ms 19 ms te1-8.ccr01.bts01.atlas.cogentco.com [130.117.3.53]
7 27 ms 26 ms 26 ms te2-7.ccr01.muc01.atlas.cogentco.com [130.117.0.42]
8 33 ms 32 ms 32 ms te2-2.ccr01.fra03.atlas.cogentco.com [130.117.0.65]
9 32 ms 31 ms 32 ms gi2-0-0.core01.fra03.atlas.cogentco.com [130.117.1.29]
10 59 ms 58 ms 60 ms 149.6.140.142
11 57 ms 57 ms 57 ms bg-du-m-1-te8-4.sbb.rs [89.216.5.254]
12 57 ms 57 ms 58 ms bg-du-l-1-ge1-0-28.sbb.rs [89.216.5.10]
13 57 ms 57 ms 57 ms www.sbb.rs [82.117.194.4]

Trace complete.

C:\Documents and Settings\ricky>tracert www.sbb.rs

Tracing route to www.sbb.rs [82.117.194.4]
over a maximum of 30 hops:

1 <1 ms <1 ms <1 ms 10.1.5.1
2 6 ms 5 ms 6 ms 93.87.177.1
3 5 ms 6 ms 6 ms 212.200.15.165
4 12 ms 12 ms 12 ms te1-3.ccr01.bud03.atlas.cogentco.com [149.6.182.21]
5 12 ms 12 ms 12 ms te3-3.ccr01.bud01.atlas.cogentco.com [130.117.3.73]
6 20 ms 19 ms 19 ms te1-8.ccr01.bts01.atlas.cogentco.com [130.117.3.53]
7 27 ms 27 ms 27 ms te2-7.ccr01.muc01.atlas.cogentco.com [130.117.0.42]
8 38 ms 32 ms 32 ms te2-2.ccr02.fra03.atlas.cogentco.com [130.117.0.217]
9 32 ms 32 ms 32 ms gi3-0-0.core01.fra03.atlas.cogentco.com [130.117.2.226]
10 41 ms 41 ms 42 ms 149.6.140.142
11 39 ms 39 ms 39 ms bg-du-m-1-te8-4.sbb.rs [89.216.5.254]
12 41 ms 39 ms 39 ms bg-du-l-1-ge1-0-28.sbb.rs [89.216.5.10]
13 39 ms 39 ms 39 ms www.sbb.rs [82.117.194.4]


evo sa telekom adsl-a... prvi trace je sa adrese 79.101.217.xx, a drugi sa 93.87.177.xx
interesantne stvari se vide... :D skoro 20 milisekundi razlike???

“Choose a job you like, and you will never have to work a day of your life”
“Looking at small advantages prevents great affairs from being accomplished”

"Great power comes with great electricity bills"
"The fact that there's a highway to Hell but only a stairway to Heaven says a lot about
anticipated traffic volume"
"Fate: protects fools, little children, and ships named NCC-1701"
 
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icon Re: Problemi sa pingom ka sbb game serveru29.06.2009. u 23:14 - pre 180 meseci
Uh... sa cogent-om umeju papazjanije da budu. Paketi u njihovoj mrezi imaju ponekad cudne putanje. Ne mogu sad tacno da se setim, ali na pocetku su isli svi do Amsterdama pa se tek onda vracali, i tako neke gluposti...

Evo kod mene:


c1710#trace 82.117.194.4

Type escape sequence to abort.
Tracing the route to www.sbb.rs (82.117.194.4)

1 10.10.10.5 0 msec 0 msec 0 msec
2 212.200.240.1 10 msec 8 msec 8 msec
3 212.200.14.241 8 msec 8 msec 8 msec
4 ffm-b3-link.telia.net (213.248.93.45) 28 msec 32 msec 28 msec
5 ffm-bb2-link.telia.net (80.91.249.142) 32 msec 28 msec
ffm-bb1-link.telia.net (80.91.249.138) 32 msec
6 bpt-b1-link.telia.net (80.91.250.124) 32 msec 32 msec
bpt-b1-link.telia.net (80.91.251.181) 32 msec
7 bpt-b2-link.telia.net (213.248.96.98) 28 msec 28 msec 32 msec
8 sbb-ic-129827-bpt-b2.c.telia.net (213.248.73.218) 40 msec 44 msec 44 msec
9 bg-du-m-1-te8-4.sbb.rs (89.216.5.254) 40 msec 40 msec 40 msec
10 bg-du-l-1-ge1-0-28.sbb.rs (89.216.5.10) 40 msec 40 msec 40 msec
11 www.sbb.rs (82.117.194.4) 42 msec 40 msec 42 msec



Edit:

Sad sam pogledao, opsezi 93.87.177.x i 79.101.217.1 se trenutno vracaju od sbb-a preko Level3-a (frankfurt-bec)... Veselo ;)

[Ovu poruku je menjao optix dana 30.06.2009. u 00:38 GMT+1]
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icon Re: Problemi sa pingom ka sbb game serveru03.07.2009. u 18:46 - pre 180 meseci
Jebt imamo internet koji se vuce sa svih strana i onda kad sa sbb-a saljemo nekome na telekoma dsl ide preko pola evrope Buahahah zaplakacu :(
 
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