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icon [english] Fastest ADSL in Beograd20.09.2006. u 11:03 - pre 170 meseci
Hello,

I ask please an a hand because I need adsl for job.

1. I need to know which are the fastest adsl avaible in Beograd,
in particular in upload (I seen max 192 in upload and 512 only with SBB).
2. And who is the fastest to make activactions.
3. if is possible the use of a VPN with those adsl. I need just to use a Cisco client
to do a secure connection with some U.s. customers.
4. If all the adsl need a phone line, or some company install an adsl-only without phone.
5. I need to know from somebody of you using fast adsl with ping in average have with
those servers:

maya.ngi.it
www.libero.it
www.aruba.it
www.alice.it
www.mclink.it

I've seen the adsl of Telecom Serbia, of Seznam of SBB and others,
for what I could understand the main phone company and adsl provider is Telecom Serbia
and resellers of TS should send them request for a new adsl, so if is correct to think
that paying more may be but asking adsl to Telecom I could have it 1 week before it,
than support could be faster too... in my country reseller give a lot of problems and less
support.

About SBB why they have an upload at 512? they have an own net and are able to compete
with Telecom Serbia?

please answer asap, thank you in advance for your help (:-)))


 
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icon Re: [english] Fastest ADSL in Beograd20.09.2006. u 17:24 - pre 170 meseci
SBB does not offer aDSL. SBB is cable operator, and that's why they have the same upload and download speed. They have their own infrastructure inside Serbia, but they also rent Telekom links to rest of the Internet.
And, if you hope that you can finish everything in a day or a week - don't.
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icon Re: [english] Fastest ADSL in Beograd20.09.2006. u 17:57 - pre 170 meseci
thank you for the answer

now I wait help on the other issues

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icon Re: [english] Fastest ADSL in Beograd20.09.2006. u 19:29 - pre 170 meseci
1. All ADSL providers offer same access speed, determined by the owner of access equipment (Telekom Srbija). Fastest package available for this time is 768 kb/s download; 192 kb/s upload. No exceptions. (Unless of course you have a high-positioned friend in Telekom Srbija, this is Serbia after all.)
2. No easy answer here. Again, most of the work is being done by Telekom Srbija (T.S.), so it depends on them. Assuming that your location has technical capacity, you can wait anywhere between 2 days, 2 weeks, or not in near future. Since T.S. has started their own ADSL distribution, things might go faster if you choose them as your ISP.
3. Yes.
4. ADSL requires phone line. Only one company can provide you with a phone line (POTS or ISDN), and it's T.S.
5. You can expect response time from 50-80ms to servers in Italy.

ADSL is only one form of broadband access, SBB offers broadband through their CATV coaxial (HFC) network. Not dependent on T.S. for access lines they can offer higher speeds to Internet. T.S. provides them with backbone link to the Internet. Over SBB coaxial cable you can have maximum of 2Mb/s download; 1 Mb/s upload, but not as a flatrate service.
Depending on your budget, location and requirements, you can lease a FrameRelay line, digital leased line, Wireless connection (2.4Ghz or 3.5Ghz), PRI ISDN... etc.

Access to any of these services varies from location to location.

Any other questions, feel free to ask.






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icon Re: [english] Fastest ADSL in Beograd21.09.2006. u 01:30 - pre 170 meseci
thank you very much, now I start to understand in full Serbian adsl market.

Ok, I need 2 adsl, 1 for back up.

I could order one from Telecom Serbja (768/192), usually in Italy if we ask a new phone line
could be faster to get the adsl and may be that Telecom Serbjia come with a new
phone cable that is of a better quality and for sure able to support adsl if there
are these risks... however I should live around centar so no problem there I think.

A second ADSL could be better of a non-Telecom Serbia net as for example SBB?
if could be right the idea of a back with a SBB, can you tell me what you meant
with the 2MB/1MB that is not a flat fee? Only for that plan or for the 1M/512K
I can have a flat fee?

I need a good upload because I need to run at least 2 IP phone on the adsl
and them require a good upload too, at least a 256 but I think that with a quality
192 should be fine.

And finally SBB support the VPN always included in the subscription? or not.. because
a different and not public line etc etc....?

I found this website in google, is this the most important forum about Serbia adsl
or I can look for info in other forums too? can you suggest me one?

thank you again for all your support! If somebody come in Italy, I can exchange,
there I've a lot of experience (:-))

thank you again, ciao.
 
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icon Re: [english] Fastest ADSL in Beograd21.09.2006. u 01:39 - pre 170 meseci
You can have 1 ADSL and 1 SBB cable line. 1024/512 is flat rate and according to information from SBB site http://www.sbb.co.yu/ it is fastest you can go here for some reasonable sum (6050 dinars per month with non-guaranteed bandwidth and behind NAT and 8740 per month with static IP and no NAT and guarantted bandwidth).
 
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icon Re: [english] Fastest ADSL in Beograd21.09.2006. u 01:46 - pre 170 meseci
SBB support VPN?
 
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icon Re: [english] Fastest ADSL in Beograd21.09.2006. u 01:58 - pre 170 meseci
I have very slow conection, 256download/64upload:


[email protected]:~$ ping www.libero.it
PING vs-fe.iol.it (195.210.91.83): 56 data bytes
64 bytes from 195.210.91.83: icmp_seq=0 ttl=114 time=97.7 ms
64 bytes from 195.210.91.83: icmp_seq=1 ttl=114 time=77.4 ms
64 bytes from 195.210.91.83: icmp_seq=2 ttl=114 time=77.2 ms
64 bytes from 195.210.91.83: icmp_seq=3 ttl=114 time=75.1 ms
64 bytes from 195.210.91.83: icmp_seq=4 ttl=114 time=93.2 ms

--- vs-fe.iol.it ping statistics ---
5 packets transmitted, 5 packets received, 0% packet loss
round-trip min/avg/max = 75.1/84.1/97.7 ms
[email protected]:~$ ping www.aruba.it
PING www.aruba.it (62.149.128.8): 56 data bytes
64 bytes from 62.149.128.8: icmp_seq=0 ttl=107 time=92.4 ms
64 bytes from 62.149.128.8: icmp_seq=1 ttl=107 time=74.3 ms
64 bytes from 62.149.128.8: icmp_seq=2 ttl=107 time=72.4 ms
64 bytes from 62.149.128.8: icmp_seq=3 ttl=107 time=72.0 ms
64 bytes from 62.149.128.8: icmp_seq=4 ttl=107 time=79.9 ms

--- www.aruba.it ping statistics ---
5 packets transmitted, 5 packets received, 0% packet loss
round-trip min/avg/max = 72.0/78.2/92.4 ms
[email protected]:~$ ping www.alice.it
PING www.alice.it (212.48.10.150): 56 data bytes

--- www.alice.it ping statistics ---
13 packets transmitted, 0 packets received, 100% packet loss
[email protected]:~$ ping www.alice.it
PING www.alice.it (212.48.10.150): 56 data bytes

--- www.alice.it ping statistics ---
5 packets transmitted, 0 packets received, 100% packet loss
[email protected]:~$ ping www.mclink.it
PING www.mclink.it (195.110.128.8): 56 data bytes
64 bytes from 195.110.128.8: icmp_seq=0 ttl=242 time=97.8 ms
64 bytes from 195.110.128.8: icmp_seq=1 ttl=242 time=92.7 ms
64 bytes from 195.110.128.8: icmp_seq=2 ttl=242 time=92.5 ms

--- www.mclink.it ping statistics ---
3 packets transmitted, 3 packets received, 0% packet loss
round-trip min/avg/max = 92.5/94.3/97.8 ms
[email protected]:~$

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icon Re: [english] Fastest ADSL in Beograd21.09.2006. u 02:05 - pre 170 meseci
perfect, important is remain under 100 ms, thank you however.
 
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icon Re: [english] Fastest ADSL in Beograd21.09.2006. u 02:06 - pre 170 meseci
You should ask them. If you can't you can't go above 768Kbit ADSL.

I use SBB cable - here are my results with slow 128/64 Kbit connection. Tdjokic uses ADSL via verat.net


[email protected]{7}% ping www.libero.it
PING vs-fe.iol.it (195.210.91.83): 56 data bytes
64 bytes from 195.210.91.83: icmp_seq=0 ttl=113 time=58.277 ms
64 bytes from 195.210.91.83: icmp_seq=1 ttl=113 time=56.814 ms
64 bytes from 195.210.91.83: icmp_seq=2 ttl=113 time=56.673 ms
64 bytes from 195.210.91.83: icmp_seq=3 ttl=113 time=58.007 ms
64 bytes from 195.210.91.83: icmp_seq=4 ttl=113 time=63.562 ms
64 bytes from 195.210.91.83: icmp_seq=5 ttl=113 time=55.783 ms
64 bytes from 195.210.91.83: icmp_seq=6 ttl=113 time=57.149 ms
64 bytes from 195.210.91.83: icmp_seq=7 ttl=113 time=57.935 ms
^C
----vs-fe.iol.it PING Statistics----
8 packets transmitted, 8 packets received, 0.0% packet loss
round-trip min/avg/max/stddev = 55.783/58.025/63.562/2.385 ms
[2] - Done rox
[email protected]{8}% ping www.aruba.it
PING www.aruba.it (62.149.128.8): 56 data bytes
64 bytes from 62.149.128.8: icmp_seq=0 ttl=110 time=65.938 ms
64 bytes from 62.149.128.8: icmp_seq=1 ttl=110 time=66.294 ms
64 bytes from 62.149.128.8: icmp_seq=2 ttl=110 time=66.726 ms
64 bytes from 62.149.128.8: icmp_seq=3 ttl=110 time=67.572 ms
64 bytes from 62.149.128.8: icmp_seq=4 ttl=110 time=68.215 ms
64 bytes from 62.149.128.8: icmp_seq=5 ttl=110 time=66.984 ms
64 bytes from 62.149.128.8: icmp_seq=6 ttl=110 time=66.380 ms
64 bytes from 62.149.128.8: icmp_seq=7 ttl=110 time=68.880 ms
64 bytes from 62.149.128.8: icmp_seq=8 ttl=110 time=70.702 ms
^C
----www.aruba.it PING Statistics----
9 packets transmitted, 9 packets received, 0.0% packet loss
round-trip min/avg/max/stddev = 65.938/67.521/70.702/1.528 ms
[email protected]{9}% ping www.alice.it
PING www.alice.it (212.48.10.150): 56 data bytes
^C
----www.alice.it PING Statistics----
22 packets transmitted, 0 packets received, 100.0% packet loss
[email protected]{10}% ping www.mclink.it
PING www.mclink.it (195.110.128.8): 56 data bytes
64 bytes from 195.110.128.8: icmp_seq=0 ttl=243 time=59.671 ms
64 bytes from 195.110.128.8: icmp_seq=1 ttl=243 time=59.342 ms
64 bytes from 195.110.128.8: icmp_seq=2 ttl=243 time=60.822 ms
64 bytes from 195.110.128.8: icmp_seq=3 ttl=243 time=61.558 ms
64 bytes from 195.110.128.8: icmp_seq=4 ttl=243 time=59.773 ms
64 bytes from 195.110.128.8: icmp_seq=5 ttl=243 time=70.415 ms
64 bytes from 195.110.128.8: icmp_seq=6 ttl=243 time=59.255 ms
64 bytes from 195.110.128.8: icmp_seq=7 ttl=243 time=73.697 ms
64 bytes from 195.110.128.8: icmp_seq=8 ttl=243 time=61.231 ms
64 bytes from 195.110.128.8: icmp_seq=9 ttl=243 time=58.961 ms
64 bytes from 195.110.128.8: icmp_seq=10 ttl=243 time=60.059 ms
^C
----www.mclink.it PING Statistics----
11 packets transmitted, 11 packets received, 0.0% packet loss
round-trip min/avg/max/stddev = 58.961/62.253/73.697/4.971 ms
[email protected]{11}%
 
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icon Re: [english] Fastest ADSL in Beograd21.09.2006. u 10:46 - pre 170 meseci
Citat:
katarino:
Ok, I need 2 adsl, 1 for back up.

I could order one from Telecom Serbja (768/192), usually in Italy if we ask a new phone line
could be faster to get the adsl and may be that Telecom Serbjia come with a new
phone cable that is of a better quality and for sure able to support adsl if there
are these risks... however I should live around centar so no problem there I think.

You probably won't have any problems getting ADSL in downtown. However, it would really be better to have a different access technology for backup. It wouldn't really matter if you used different ISP's for the two ADSL links, since the access circuits would both be property of Telekom Serbia, and most providers use Telekom Serbia as their upstream provider. SBB cable is a good suggestion, but you should also look into wireless and ISDN (if it suits your needs).
Citat:
A second ADSL could be better of a non-Telecom Serbia net as for example SBB?

As was said before, SBB doesn't offer ADSL access, only Internet over coaxial cables and cable modems (DOCSIS).
Citat:
And finally SBB support the VPN always included in the subscription? or not.. because
a different and not public line etc etc....?

There are different types of subscription offered and it is possible that not all of them will suit your needs (allow VPN), but it would be best if you asked them directly, just to be sure about it. I think some cheaper subscription types have restrictions about type of traffis, while the more expensive ones allow any type of traffic (no restrictions).
Citat:
I found this website in google, is this the most important forum about Serbia adsl
or I can look for info in other forums too? can you suggest me one?

No, this one is the best :)

good luck...

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icon Re: [english] Fastest ADSL in Beograd21.09.2006. u 14:28 - pre 170 meseci

Esecuzione di Ping www.aruba.it [62.149.128.8] con 32 byte di dati:

Risposta da 62.149.128.8: byte=32 durata=55ms TTL=120
Risposta da 62.149.128.8: byte=32 durata=73ms TTL=120
Risposta da 62.149.128.8: byte=32 durata=61ms TTL=120
Risposta da 62.149.128.8: byte=32 durata=52ms TTL=120


this is the ping I have with Telecom Italia adsl.... ha ha 640/256
it is not in "fast" mode but interleaved,

with other providers in "fast mode" we get around 29/32 against this
average above of 60

this from Bari (opposite of Bar in Montenegro)

while in Milan city you get aroun 11/12 in fast modality with standard
adsl and with a fast cable company like FastWeb (similar to SBB may be)
you get around 3 ms of ping.. so the top and the bandwith is around
6MB or 10MB.

--

I will ask to SBB then about VPN.

Hvala!!!
 
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icon Re: [english] Fastest ADSL in Beograd21.09.2006. u 14:29 - pre 170 meseci
there is some reseller of Telecom Serbia able to set the adsl in "fast" modality
and not interleaved so you get a faster ms responce? that modality could
reduce of at least 33/50% the ms.

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icon Re: [english] Fastest ADSL in Beograd21.09.2006. u 17:00 - pre 170 meseci
Pinging www.aruba.it [62.149.128.8] with 32 bytes of data:

Reply from 62.149.128.8: bytes=32 time=76ms TTL=112
Reply from 62.149.128.8: bytes=32 time=76ms TTL=112
Reply from 62.149.128.8: bytes=32 time=76ms TTL=112
Reply from 62.149.128.8: bytes=32 time=77ms TTL=112

Ping statistics for 62.149.128.8:
Packets: Sent = 4, Received = 4, Lost = 0 (0% loss),
Approximate round trip times in milli-seconds:
Minimum = 76ms, Maximum = 77ms, Average = 76ms

This is a ping from TS reseller BeotelNet ADSL in Belgrade.
 
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icon Re: [english] Fastest ADSL in Beograd21.09.2006. u 17:44 - pre 170 meseci
The default mode for adsl in Serbia is not interleaved. Interleaving is set only where a problem is detected and reported as such by the customer.
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icon Re: [english] Fastest ADSL in Beograd21.09.2006. u 21:18 - pre 170 meseci

OFF TOPIC sorry:

Dobro vece,

can seem crazy, but I've urgence to find an apartment to rent in Beograd, near a central zone,
the problem is that agencies don't have apartments with an adsl 768/192 or SBB or similar...
perhaps we have not found an adsl cheaper too.

Anyone of you know how to find in max 1 week an apartment adsl-ready, I've the problem
that ordering the ADSL I should loss 20+ days and there is the risk that something can go bad too...

if somebody can suggest some website or person that can have something avaible to rent,
let me know... please write me an email to [email protected] because if u leave private messages
in the forum I don't know how to find it... because for me the language is still hard (:-)))))

hvala,

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icon Re: [english] Fastest ADSL in Beograd21.09.2006. u 22:49 - pre 170 meseci
Finding a decent flat in Belgrade is very hard, but don't give up. Just one friendly advice: when looking for the apartment, be VERY careful with the agencies (and especially careful if looking through the advertisments). There are many, or better said - mainly cheaters and thieves among them.

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icon Re: [english] Fastest ADSL in Beograd22.09.2006. u 13:15 - pre 170 meseci
I'm pretty much sure it's hard to find ADSL-ready flat here. Perhaps some expensive big houses in Senjak or Dedinje have ADSL ready.... Cable TV is spread widely in flats, ADSL is not. You have to install it for yourself if you want it. So perhaps the fastest way of getting some broadband connection is to look for a flat with SBB cable TV installed... and then to ask SBB to install cable internet for you, I believe the installation procedure wont take long but it's better SBB users to answer this.

P.S. Have you considered to rent some hotel room with hghi-speed internet? It's expensive but if you need ASAP to set up your HQ in Belgrade...

 
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icon Re: [english] Fastest ADSL in Beograd22.09.2006. u 13:59 - pre 170 meseci

good idea, will look for hotel now,
but I need to use my own router or I cannot use the IP phones ha ha.. hard to help me (:-))))
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icon Re: [english] Fastest ADSL in Beograd22.09.2006. u 14:09 - pre 170 meseci
found 2 apartments with ADSL
don't know the brand and plan... asap I know I make u some questions
I would arrive there with my own router and then use it... usually it's very easy to set up
a router, usually is not needed an user and password or dns etc... with telecom italia
with telecom serbia, beonet and others don't know, asap I know the brands I update you,

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