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Oops: Android contains directly copied Java code, strengthening Oracle's case

^{21.01.2011. u 16:32 - pre 161 meseci}

http://www.engadget.com/2011/0...opied-java-code-strengthening/

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Florian Mueller has been killing it these past few months with his analysis of various tech patent suits on his FOSSpatents blog, and today he's unearthed a pretty major bombshell: at least 43 Android source files that appear to have been directly copied from Java. That's a big deal, seeing as Oracle is currently suing Google for patent and copyright infringement in Android -- which isn't a hard case to prove when you've got 37 Android source files marked "PROPRIETARY / CONFIDENTIAL" and "DO NOT DISTRIBUTE" by Oracle / Sun and at least six more files in Froyo and Gingerbread that appear to have been decompiled from Java 2 Standard Edition and redistributed under the Apache open source license without permission. In simple terms? Google copied Oracle's Java code, pasted in a new license, and shipped it.

Oops... vala bas :)

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Re: Oops: Android contains directly copied Java code, strengthening Oracle's case

^{21.01.2011. u 16:48 - pre 161 meseci}

Kad je mnogima od nas poslo za rukom da "portujemo" poneki java framework onako iz zezanja i bez potrebe, cudi me da nisu zabalavili ozbiljni kojima to treba, u stvari jesu..

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Re: Oops: Android contains directly copied Java code, strengthening Oracle's case

^{22.01.2011. u 09:12 - pre 161 meseci}

Oops: No copied Java code or weapons of mass destruction found in Android

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Re: Oops: Android contains directly copied Java code, strengthening Oracle's case

^{22.01.2011. u 20:39 - pre 161 meseci}

Da, oops google je koristio Sun-ov kod za testiranje svoje implementacije. The Bastards! Da ne govorimo o tome da je taj kod izbacen 30 Okt 2010 odnosno 14 Jan 2010.

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Re: Oops: Android contains directly copied Java code, strengthening Oracle's case

^{22.01.2011. u 21:12 - pre 161 meseci}

Hmm... to sto je kod "izbacen" ne implicira da nije bio u upotrebi do tada, i da Google nije imao prava da ga distribuira i menja licencu.

Nisam advokat, ali cenim da copyright infringement ne poznaje takve kategorije "samo za testiranje", "izbacili smo ga pre koji mesec" ;-)

Btw, i Engadget je odgovorio na ovo - i mislim da miste isto kao i ja ;-)

http://www.engadget.com/2011/0...pyright-infringement-whats-go/

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We'll just say this straight out: from a technical perspective, these objections are completely valid. The files in question do appear to be test files, some of them were removed, and there's simply no way of knowing if any of them ended up in a shipping Android handset. But -- and this is a big but -- that's just the technical story. From a legal perspective, it seems very likely that these files create increased copyright liability for Google, because the state of our current copyright law doesn't make exceptions for how source code trees work, or whether or not a script pasted in a different license, or whether these files made it into handsets.

The single most relevant legal question is whether or not copying and distributing these files was authorized by Oracle, and the answer clearly appears to be "nope" -- even if Oracle licensed the code under the GPL. Why? Because somewhere along the line, Google took Oracle's code, replaced the GPL language with the incompatible Apache Open Source License, and distributed the code under that license publicly. That's all it takes -- if Google violated the GPL by changing the license, it also infringed Oracle's underlying copyright. It doesn't matter if a Google employee, a script, a robot, or Eric Schmidt's cat made the change -- once you've created or distributed an unauthorized copy, you're liable for infringement.*

Dakle, sve u svemu, Oracle sada pored tuzbe za krsenje patenata sada moze da doda i tuzbu za krsenje copyright-a.

Nisam bas siguran da ce ovo pomoci Google-u u sporu protiv Oracle-a.

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Re: Oops: Android contains directly copied Java code, strengthening Oracle's case

^{22.01.2011. u 23:51 - pre 161 meseci}

Ma, dobro, gugl će isplatiti neku siću za taj prcvoljak od koda i gotovo. Ko da se slične stvari inače ne dešavaju. To je sasvim normalna pojava.

Čisto sumnjam da će orakl uspeti da dokaže da je izgubio silne miliončine zbog toga što je jedna FOSS licenca zamenjena drugom FOSS licencom sa kojom originalna licenca nije kompatibilna.

Nije bitno koji su zaključci izvučeni, već kako se do njih došlo.

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Re: Oops: Android contains directly copied Java code, strengthening Oracle's case

^{23.01.2011. u 00:03 - pre 161 meseci}

Mislim da to uopste nije sporno - medjutim, ovo moze samo da odmogne Google-u u sporu sa Oracle-om oko Java tehnologija.

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Re: Oops: Android contains directly copied Java code, strengthening Oracle's case

^{23.01.2011. u 01:40 - pre 161 meseci}

A onda imamo i ovo:

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I did find one odd thing about the first 7 files. Sun published those files on its web site to help developers debug and test their own code. For some reason, the Android or Harmony developer who was using them decompiled and rebuilt them instead of just using the ones from Sun. Later an Apache license got incorrectly pasted to the top of the files, perhaps by some automated script. The solution to this earth shattering conspiracy? Replace them with the original files from Sun which have the correct comments. Or just delete them. After all, they’re not shipped with Android.

Ako je za poverovati izvoru - u pitanju je nesto mnogo mracnije od GOOGLE-ta, u pitanju je zavera Licence Script botova.

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Re: Oops: Android contains directly copied Java code, strengthening Oracle's case

^{23.01.2011. u 09:19 - pre 161 meseci}

Ako je bot pod vlasnistvom Google Inc-a to IMHO ne menja stvar ni malo... mislim moze da bude i Sergey-eva macka koja je promenila licencu, ali to i dalje ne menja sustinski stvar da je Google uzeo Oracle kod i bez ikakve dozvole distribuirao isti pod stranom licencom.

To samo po sebi ne bi bilo neki enorman problem inace (to se plati ako Oracle tuzi, advokati uzmu svoje dnevnice i to je to...) - problem je sto je u isto vreme Google tuzen za Java patente i Oracle zahteva runtime royalties... ovo svakako nece pomoci tom slucaju i samo moze da ucvrsti teoriju da je Google svesno "klonirao" Javu, koristeci jos pritom i standardne Sun/Oracle testove + jos nonsalantno menjajuci licencu.

To kombinovano je malko veci problem od prepravke licence. Pretpostavljam da Oracle zeli da predstavi Google kao lopove koji svesno uzimaju tudji IP - ovo ce samo biti samo jos jedan dokaz za takvo ponasanje po Oracle-u.

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Re: Oops: Android contains directly copied Java code, strengthening Oracle's case

^{23.01.2011. u 16:48 - pre 161 meseci}

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Ivan Dimkovic: Ako je bot pod vlasnistvom Google Inc-a to IMHO ne menja stvar ni malo... mislim moze da bude i Sergey-eva macka koja je promenila licencu, ali to i dalje ne menja sustinski stvar da je Google uzeo Oracle kod i bez ikakve dozvole distribuirao isti pod stranom licencom.

To samo po sebi ne bi bilo neki enorman problem inace (to se plati ako Oracle tuzi, advokati uzmu svoje dnevnice i to je to...) - problem je sto je u isto vreme Google tuzen za Java patente i Oracle zahteva runtime royalties... ovo svakako nece pomoci tom slucaju i samo moze da ucvrsti teoriju da je Google svesno "klonirao" Javu, koristeci jos pritom i standardne Sun/Oracle testove + jos nonsalantno menjajuci licencu.

To kombinovano je malko veci problem od prepravke licence. Pretpostavljam da Oracle zeli da predstavi Google kao lopove koji svesno uzimaju tudji IP - ovo ce samo biti samo jos jedan dokaz za takvo ponasanje po Oracle-u.

Sta mozemo ocekivati? Moze li dovesti do zabrane prodaje androida?

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Re: Oops: Android contains directly copied Java code, strengthening Oracle's case

^{23.01.2011. u 16:54 - pre 161 meseci}

IMHO, to bas i nije realan scenario - pretpostavljam da Oracle zanima samo deo kolaca, tj. neki runtime royalty za Android telefone...

Sa druge strane, Google moze bez problema i da plati sve to i da fakticki subvencionise proizvodjace telefona ako zaista dodju do toga da izgube spor.

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Re: Oops: Android contains directly copied Java code, strengthening Oracle's case

^{23.01.2011. u 23:34 - pre 161 meseci}

Ok, s tim na umu da su se testovi uglavnom interni i uz pretpostavku da konacan proizvod nije sadrzao testove, taj argument za distribuciju nije bas siguran. Ne brinem se za Google imaju oni para za advokate da ih izvuku iz ovakvih sranja. A ruku na srce i oni su krivi sto jednostavno nisu platili licencu/implementirali citavu Javu vec ovu trenutnu spodobu.

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