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icon preporuke za kupovinu muzicke karte za laptop26.06.2006. u 17:53 - pre 216 meseci
dakle treba mi usb ili firewire karta koja ima najmanje 2 stereo izlaza. imam oko 150 evrica.. ???

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icon Re: preporuke za kupovinu muzicke karte za laptop27.06.2006. u 21:52 - pre 216 meseci
Preporucam ti bilo sta od m-audia, em nije lose, em mozes da experimentiras sa pro toolsima (preporuka)...

http://www.m-audio.com/product...s/FirewireAudiophile-main.html
http://www.m-audio.com/products/en_us/AudiophileUSB-main.html
http://www.m-audio.com/products/en_us/FastTrackUSB-main.html
http://www.m-audio.com/products/en_us/MobilePreUSB-main.html

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icon Re: preporuke za kupovinu muzicke karte za laptop16.07.2006. u 21:33 - pre 215 meseci
a jel zna neko kako do toga sto si rekao doci u beogradu, i kolika je cena?
 
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icon Re: preporuke za kupovinu muzicke karte za laptop16.07.2006. u 21:40 - pre 215 meseci
Razmotri i SoundBlaster 2ZS Notebook, 135 e, http://www.pyramid.co.yu/, overi sajt da vidis gde su, a mozes da platis i online. M-Audio mi se cini redak, ovde vecina radi Creative, za M-Audio znam samo http://www.digital-cave.com/pc-dc/prodavnica_razno.html, isto ide narucivanje.
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icon Re: preporuke za kupovinu muzicke karte za laptop16.07.2006. u 21:54 - pre 215 meseci
M-Audio nije retkost u Bgd. Ima na nekoliko mesta, ali evo probaj prvo ovde...

http://www.artistsystems.co.yu/srpski/pocetna_strana.php

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icon Re: preporuke za kupovinu muzicke karte za laptop17.07.2006. u 00:19 - pre 215 meseci
za Srbiju je uvoznik Lyra Style na Novom Beogradu www.lyrastyle.co.yu
 
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icon Re: preporuke za kupovinu muzicke karte za laptop17.07.2006. u 10:42 - pre 215 meseci
Ok, ali sam povoljniju cenu dobio na drugom mestu. Konkurencija je čudo!

Dokle god ne reklamiramo nikoga posebno, ovo ovde je ok. Treba ljudima iz unutrašnjosti ili neobaveštenima davati linkove, ali ne i direktno reklamirati ikoga, jer nam to niko neće platiti.

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icon Re: preporuke za kupovinu muzicke karte za laptop17.07.2006. u 10:51 - pre 215 meseci
@ton_majstor, da li je bolje coveku da ulozi u M-Audio ili u Creative? (Ja imam Creative, ali nisam puno istrazivao, samo sam usao u radnju i kupio prvu stvar na kojoj je stajalo "zvucna karta".)
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icon Re: preporuke za kupovinu muzicke karte za laptop17.07.2006. u 23:35 - pre 215 meseci
Veruj mi, M-Audio.

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icon Re: preporuke za kupovinu muzicke karte za laptop20.07.2006. u 18:43 - pre 215 meseci
traže mi 250 eu za m-audio firewire audiophille ovi iz lyrastyle. mislite da je to previše? ili možda neko zna za bolju ponudu?
 
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icon Re: preporuke za kupovinu muzicke karte za laptop20.07.2006. u 18:47 - pre 215 meseci
traže mi 250 eu za m-audio firewire audiophille ovi iz lyrastyle. mislite da je to previše? ili možda neko zna za bolju ponudu? mislite li da bi odgovarala i neka usb varijanta od m-audio, jer nisam siguran da li je za muziku bitna činjenica da firewire standard ima skoro 4x veću brzinu prenosu podataka od usb 2.0 standarda?
 
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icon Re: preporuke za kupovinu muzicke karte za laptop20.07.2006. u 19:20 - pre 215 meseci
Firewire - ako mozes da ga priustis, i koliko si spreman da ga odgladujes, i cemu ce kartica na kraju da sluzi (ako ce da ti se komercijalno isplati, ulozi).

Cena za M-Audio FireWire je dobra - ArtistSystems nisam proverio, ali je na Digital Cave 270 e.

USB kartice - overi i Sound Blaster Audigy 2 NX, USB 2.0, 24-Bit ADVANCED HD, Dolby Digital EX, podrška za 5.1 i 7.1 zvučne sisteme, EAX Advanced HD, DVD Audio (24-bit) playback, Creative MediaSource 2 softver, IR daljinski - na Pyramid Shopu 150 e.

(Ne znam ima li 2 stereo outa ili to moze da se sredi softverski. Ne radim ni za jednu prodavnicu - ovo je samo informacija radi.)
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icon Re: preporuke za kupovinu muzicke karte za laptop21.07.2006. u 17:22 - pre 215 meseci
usb varijanta m-audio audiophile kartice je 180 eu, a kao sto sam gore naveo cena firewire varijante iste kartice iznosi 250 eu. ono što me interesuje jeste da li je ta razlika u brzini prenosa zaista toliko bitna? meni će karta trebati za live nastupe(ableton live/traktor dj studio) i eventualno nekada kasnije za neki od produkcijskih paketa kao što je npr. cubase. cena od 180 eu mi više odgovara, ali ako je razlika zaista ogromna i važna za ono što je meni potrebno strpiću se i skupiti ostatak novaca.

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icon Re: preporuke za kupovinu muzicke karte za laptop21.07.2006. u 18:40 - pre 215 meseci
Dude! Blee*ing Google it, dude... Salim se, naravno! O svemocni Google, sta nam ti kazes o razlici FireWire vs USB?

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"I've got the USB version of the Audiophile and my brother has the Firewire. They both work fine and neither of us has problems with latency. I think they're great cards." http://sound-on-sound2.infopop...mp;f=351097254&m=620109192

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"In general use, I only saw a slight difference in performance when using Naturally Speaking voice recognition, which uses drive and CPU resources heavily. Otherwise, I saw no actually affect on real-life use. However, because I did see a decrease, I ran some simple hard disk benchmarks and found a considerable decrease in the read/write speed of the internal hard disk when an external USB2.0 was connected. So, either something very specific is simultaneously affecting my two very different systems, or, because the decrease is not so apparent in daily use, most users are not aware of the load USB2.0 is placing on their systems." http://discuss.pcmag.com/forums/5/185441001/ShowPost.aspx

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"In general, firewire devices appear to be accompanied with better drivers and better hardware, whereas usb2.0 devices appear to have much worse drivers and lower end hardware.

Combo devices appear to follow the firewire standard of higher end hardware/software, but often their usb controllers will be worse, resulting in worse performance for usb 2.0.

In a perfect world, on a combo device that has good drivers/controllers for both firewire and usb2.0, using usb2.0 might outperform using firewire, if all underlying hardware and software supports the faster speeds. However, since most devices will not give you anywhere near 400mbs access, let alone 480mbs access, in a perfect world, you would not see a difference between them." (isto)

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"I can tell you that I've recorded dozens of multitrack sessions with what amounted to literally hundreds of overdubs using M-Audio's Audiophile USB external soundcard and I didn't have a latency problem (or any other issues) with it...

I'm not going to get into the USB vs. Firewire "debate" (I do believe that, unless the USB protocol regarding the use of CPU cycles is addressed in version USB3--or whatever the next version is--that Firewire will become the "standard" in prosumer audio within complex systems)...However, as things stand today, USB devices can perform in a more than satisfactory manner if they are properly configured with the proper system "tweaks"..." http://forum.cakewalk.com/tm.asp?m=780235&mpage=1&#786127

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Konacnu rec dajemo Wikipediji:

USB was originally seen as a complement to FireWire, which was designed as a high-speed serial bus which could efficiently interconnect peripherals such as hard disks, audio interfaces, and video equipment. USB originally operated at a far lower data rate and used much simpler hardware, and was suitable for small peripherals such as keyboards and mice.

However, FireWire ports were more costly to implement than USB ports, in part due to their per-port license fee (between 75 cents and $1.50 in bulk licenses(disputed—see talk page) ), and the more complex circuitry the controller required. As a result, they were rarely provided as standard equipment on computers other than Apple's Macintoshes (Apple owns rights to the FireWire standard), and peripheral manufacturers offered many more USB devices. The introduction of USB 2.0 Hi-Speed, with its widely advertised 480 Mbit/s signaling rate, convinced many consumers that FireWire was outdated (although this was not necessarily the case; see "USB 2.0 Hi-Speed vs FireWire" below).

Today, USB Hi-Speed is rapidly replacing FireWire in consumer products. FireWire retains its popularity in many professional settings, where it is used for audio and video transfer, and data storage.
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Technical differences

The most significant technical differences between FireWire and USB include the following:

* USB networks use a tiered-star topology, while FireWire networks use a repeater-based topology.

* USB uses a "speak-when-spoken-to" protocol; peripherals cannot communicate with the host unless the host specifically requests communication. A FireWire device can communicate with any other node at any time, subject to network conditions.

* A USB network relies on a single host at the top of the tree to control the network. In a FireWire network, any capable node can control the network.

These and other differences reflect the differing design goals of the two busses: USB was designed for simplicity and low cost, while FireWire was designed for high performance, particularly in time-sensitive applications such as audio and video.
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USB 2.0 Hi-Speed vs FireWire

The signalling rate of USB 2.0 Hi-Speed mode is 480 megabits per second, while the signalling rate of FireWire 400 (IEEE 1394a) is 393.216 Mbit/s [4]. USB requires more host processing power than Firewire due to the need for the host to provide the arbitration and scheduling of transactions. USB transfer rates are theoretically higher than Firewire due to the need for Firewire devices to arbitrate for bus access. A single Firewire device may achieve a transfer rate for Firewire 400 as high as 41 MB/s. While for USB 2.0 the rate can theoretically be 55 MB/s (for a single device). In a multi device environment Firewire rapidly loses ground to USB: Firewire's mixed speed networks and long connection chains dramatically affect its performance.

The peer to peer nature of Firewire requires devices to arbitrate, which means a FireWire bus must wait until a given signal has propagated to all devices on the bus. The more devices on the bus the lower the peak performance. Conversely, for USB the maximum timing model is fixed and is limited only by the host-device branch (not the entire network). Furthermore, the host-centric nature of USB allows the host to allocate more bandwidth to high priority devices instead of forcing them to compete for bandwidth as in Firewire.

Despite all this and despite USB's theoretically higher speed, in real life benchmarks the actual speed of firewire hard drives nearly always beats USB 2 hard drives by a significant margin. In addition to this some operating systems take a conservative approach to scheduling transactions and limit the number of transfers per frame, reducing the maximum transfers from, say, the theoretical 13 per frame to 10 or 9. Therefore if high speed transfer is what you need you should match this with a good host controller and operating system.

In 2003, FireWire was updated with the IEEE 1394b specification. This provides a new mode called S800, which operates at 786.432 Mbit/s. S800 requires a new physical layer, but S800 nodes can be connected to existing FireWire 1394a ports, just as USB Hi-Speed nodes will operate with older full-speed hosts. However unlike USB Hi-Speed systems which can change the speeds on each branch a 1394a device on a 1394b system requires all devices to fall to 1394a speeds. IEEE 1394b also provides rates up to approximately 3.2 Gbit/s; however, the higher rates use special physical layers which are incompatible with 1394a devices.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Usb#USB_2.0_Hi-Speed_vs_FireWire


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icon Re: preporuke za kupovinu muzicke karte za laptop21.07.2006. u 20:01 - pre 215 meseci
Hvala na citatu.

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icon Re: preporuke za kupovinu muzicke karte za laptop21.07.2006. u 21:09 - pre 215 meseci
Nema na cemu - i ja sam naucio ponesto - vrlo bitno, na dnu Wikipedijine stranice je par linkova, medju kojima i neki koji nude custom drivere za USB. Obicno su linkovi na Wikiju provereni, a dobri drajveri ponekad puno znace (opet, ponekad i ne znace).
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icon Re: preporuke za kupovinu muzicke karte za laptop23.07.2006. u 10:25 - pre 215 meseci
Za sta bi ti sluzila ta kartica,mislim koja joj je svrha?
 
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icon Re: preporuke za kupovinu muzicke karte za laptop23.07.2006. u 14:39 - pre 215 meseci
puštanje muzike po klubovima(ableton live/traktor dj studio) i eventualno nekada kasnije za produkciju(cubase i slični paketi).
 
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icon Re: preporuke za kupovinu muzicke karte za laptop27.07.2006. u 12:17 - pre 215 meseci
audiophile usb karakteristike:

up to 24-bit/96kHz performance
2 pairs of line-level audio inputs (1/4' TS and RCA)
2 line-level audio outputs (RCA) with level control knob
S/PDIF digital I/O (coaxial) with 2-channel PCM
digital I/O supports surround-encoded AC-3 and DTS passthrough
1x1 MIDI I/O
headphone output (1/4' TRS) with level control knob
AC-powered for high performance A/D and D/A
includes Maximum Audio Tools software bundle
frequency response: 20Hz to 20kHz +/- 0.5dB

dynamic range: 109 dB (A-weighted)

signal-to-noise ratio: 109dB (typical, A-weighted)

THD: 0.002512%

USB recording:
16-bit/44.1kHz > 4-in/4-out
24-bit/44.1kHz > 4-in/2-out or 2-in/4-out
24-bit/48kHz > 4-in/2-out or 2-in/4-out
24-bit/96kHz > 2-in or 2-out


da li sa ovom kartom mogu izvesti kombinaciju notebook i mikseta od 3 kanala? nisam siguran jer piše da ima 2 izlaza, a dole pod usb recording da ima 4. laik sam za ove stvari pa bih bio zahvalan da mi neko od vas otkrije misteriju.
 
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icon Re: preporuke za kupovinu muzicke karte za laptop27.07.2006. u 13:48 - pre 215 meseci
2 audio izlaza i 4 usb izlaza, cini mi se (usb izlazi u, recimo, drugi kompjuter ili procesor, itd.). Mogao bi da napravis vezu ovako: M-Audio -> mikseta -> pojacalo i zvucne kutije, pri cemu je bitno da mikseta 2 mono line-ina pretvara u jedan ili vise stereo outa (sto ne bi trebalo da bude problem ni za mali Tapco, ni za mali Behringer).

Btw, je li to kartica na ovom linku - http://www.m-audio.com/products/en_us/AudiophileUSB-main.html ? Tamo stoji da je to usb interface, nista mi nije jasno...

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