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icon Re: Payoneer propao, obustavljena isplata29.06.2020. u 09:51 - pre 10 meseci
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Ivan Dimkovic:
Sto se bankomata tice, logicno bi bilo ocekivati da nema nikakvih limita osim koliko novca ima u bankomatu. Eventualno na nekim prometnim mestima (i ako propisi dozvoljavaju) bankomati mogu imati limite po jednoj transakciji ali se ne secam da sam video tako nesto u skorije vreme. Ako je cilj da se spreci "praznjenje" od strane jednog korisnika, osim za korisnike koji imaju racun kod iste banke (i ako bankomat nije u vlasnistvu nekog treceg lica) stvar postaje vrlo komplikovana (u smislu drzanja podataka) sa gomilom zackoljica i ociglednim dodatnim troskom tako da ne cudi sto to nije cesta stvar.


Svako muči svoju brigu. Kada smo uvodili bankomate po Bosni 2001. godine, problem nije bio sa količinom para u bankomatu, nego sa količinom termalnog papira za štampanje priznanica. Svi su dizali neku siću (tipa 10KM), pa bi se papir potrošio mnogo ranije nego što bi nestalo para.

Sa druge strane, u Srbiji je problem sa vrednostima papirnih apoena. Tipično, bankomati imaju apoene od 500, 1000, 2000 i 5000 dinara, što u prevodu glasi 4EUR, 8EUR, 16EUR i 40EUR. Ne možeš napuniti bankomat dovoljno brzo, koliko može da se isprazni.
A punjenje bankomata košta i vremena i novca. Prvo moraš da pošalješ bezbednjake da promene kasete sa novcem, pa da vrate kasete u trezor, pa da se kasete otvore i komisijski prebroji novac koji je ostao u njima (uvek se menjaju sve kasete, one sa apoeanima i dodatne kasete u koje idu apoeni kod kojih je došla greška u brojanju).
Banke, zbog toga, tipično prazne/pune bankomate jednom nedeljno, pa se isplati da se ograniči iznos, te smanji učestanost punjenja/pražnjenja.
 
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icon Re: Payoneer propao, obustavljena isplata29.06.2020. u 10:57 - pre 10 meseci
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Ja sam pre desetak godina vec tako prosao. U pitanju je bio Epassporte koji je bio mocniji od danasnjeg payo.


Uhhhh... Ta rana još uvek nije zarasla... Što je najgore, većina ljudi koje znam su uspeli da izvuku pare ali ja - ne. Suviše mala suma da bi se isplatio advokat ali, dovoljno velika da se još uvek sećam
 
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icon Re: Payoneer propao, obustavljena isplata29.06.2020. u 14:23 - pre 10 meseci
Vlado, vi ste odavde uzeli advokata u USA i tamo je bilo rociste, bez vaseg prisustva?
 
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icon Re: Payoneer propao, obustavljena isplata29.06.2020. u 19:46 - pre 10 meseci
@djoka_l,

Mislim da stvari zavise dosta od drzave tj. regulative.

Na primer, u Nemackoj nije zabranjeno da banke naplacuju ekstra troskove ako novac iz njihovih bankomata podize neko lice sa karticom koja pripada drugoj "grupi" (nekoliko banaka je obicno udruzeno u "grupu" tj. rade "ATM-pooling").

Takva regulativa ljude motivise da novac dizu sa "svojih" bankomata - sto znaci da nisu potrebna dodatna ogranicenja (vecina ljudi ima razumne dnevne limite). Fenomen novih banaka koje nude "besplatno dizanje novca" sa svih bankomata je relativno nova pojava.

Sa druge strane, ako su propisi takvi da je dizanje novca iz svih bankomata bez dodatnih troskova, onda postoji veca sansa da se pojavi neko sa strane i krene da dize sav novac koji je u bankomatu. Ali, opet, realno - koliko ima takvih ljudi uopste?

Problem u Srbiji vezan za denominacije je lokalna specificnost. Mada ima svega i svacega svuda u svetu, recimo bankomat u zgradi gde je moja firma pripada banci koja je u istoj zgradi. Najudja stvar je sto isplacuje u novcanicama od 100 EUR. Sto je super ako si planirao da nosis negde taj novac, ali ako planiras da ga trosis po prodavnicama, spremi se na poglede sa mrznjom od strane kasirki.
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icon Re: Payoneer propao, obustavljena isplata29.06.2020. u 20:21 - pre 10 meseci
Najava za najavom:

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While the FCA has given off encouraging signs of progress in its audit of Wirecard Card Solutions, we have decided not to wait for the outcome. Even if there’s a shortfall, our intent is for Payoneer to fill the gap so that you get 100% of your money back.
https://www.facebook.com/Payoneer

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icon Re: Payoneer propao, obustavljena isplata30.06.2020. u 08:05 - pre 10 meseci
I do 24h dok kartice ne prorade svima, ako ikada i prorade:
https://www.wirecard-cardsolut...6-b5GbkUh0da7Zzw3mipzGuSdTkWtg

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Wirecard Card Solutions Limited (WDCS) is pleased to report that, following intensive work undertaken in conjunction with the Financial Conduct Authority (FCA), it has now received consent to resume its operations as the FCA is satisfied that client money is safe. Certain restrictions remain in place (full details of which can be found on the FCA Register) but WDCS is, as of 00.01 30 June, permitted to issue e-money and provide payment services. WDCS will continue working closely with the FCA to have these remaining restrictions lifted as soon as possible. There may be a delay before all card programmes are fully operational, so some customers could find themselves unable to transact immediately but we anticipate this lasting no longer than 24 hours. We apologise for the inconvenience to our valued customers that the temporary suspension caused


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By Huw Jones and Iain Withers

LONDON (Reuters) - Britain's Financial Conduct Authority said late on Monday it would lift restrictions on German payments company Wirecard AG, allowing it to resume operations.

The markets watchdog imposed restrictions on the company's UK unit after its collapse last week.

"We have been working closely with Wirecard UK and other authorities over the last few days to ensure that the firm was able to meet certain conditions required to lift the restrictions we imposed on it," the regulator said. (https://bit.ly/2YHMxSX)

Several British fintech firms were forced to suspend services following the FCA's restrictions on Wirecard, leaving hundreds of thousands of accounts blocked.

"Customers will now, or very shortly, be able to use their cards as usual," the FCA said.

Wirecard said on Saturday it would proceed with business activities after filing for insolvency and an administrator was appointed on Monday.

Firms providing finance to poorer and vulnerable Britons who have difficulty accessing mainstream banking were among those hit, including Pockit and U Account, part of subprime lender Morses Club.

The government said anyone worried about not being able to receive welfare payments should contact its helplines.

Wirecard's woes have forced some firms to accelerate existing projects to switch to other services, including card provider Curve which said on Monday its services were back online.

But industry forum Emerging Payments Association (EPA) warned it could take months for others to do the same and urged the FCA to lift its Wirecard freeze as soon as possible.

"We predict dozens of corporate failures, hundreds of job losses and significant reductions in tax payments, unless it is removed right away," EPA said in a letter to the FCA.

Martin Lewis, founder of consumer website moneysavingexpert.com, said there was a reasonable expectation that consumers affected would get access to their money again by Wednesday or Thursday.



(Reporting by Huw Jones, Iain Withers in London and Ann Maria Shibu in Bengaluru; Editing by David Evans, David Clarke and Shounak Dasgupta)


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icon Re: Payoneer propao, obustavljena isplata30.06.2020. u 08:29 - pre 10 meseci
Wirecard can resume regulated activity FCA

On 29 June 2020, the FCA provided written consent to allow Wirecard to resume issuing e-money and providing payment services. The restriction on activities will lift at 00.01 on 30 June 2020.

The primary objective of these requirements was to protect the electronic money funds of consumers in safeguarded accounts. It also had the effect of preventing consumers from withdrawing and making payments with those funds. The FCA’s consent means that Wirecard can now resume electronic money and payment services to its customers and customers can now, or very shortly, use their cards as usual.

What happened to Wirecard?
On 26 June 2020, the FCA imposed a number of requirements on Wirecard including, that the firm must not dispose of any assets or funds, that it must not carry on any regulated activities and that it must set out a statement on its website that it is no longer permitted to conduct any regulated activities. This follows ongoing events in Germany concerning Wirecard’s parent company, Wirecard AG. Wirecard AG is not supervised by the FCA.

The FCA has been working closely with Wirecard and other authorities to ensure that the firm was able to meet the conditions required to lift certain requirements that we imposed on it. We know that some customers have faced difficulties over the weekend but the steps we took were the right ones to protect everyone's money. Our primary objective has always been to protect the interests and money of consumers who use Wirecard. We have worked with Department of Work and Pensions (DWP), Her Majesty’s Treasury (HMT) and the Home Office over the weekend in order to help any customers suffering financial distress and directed people to that support on our website.

We are now in a position to allow Wirecard to resume regulated activity and on 29 June 2020, the FCA provided written consent to Wirecard to resume issuing e-money and providing payment services. We continue to monitor Wirecard’s activities closely and certain requirements continue to remain in force. These should not, however, affect the services Wirecard provides to its customers. This means customers can now or very shortly use their cards as necessary.

https://www.fca.org.uk/news/ne...97PWw_qlpsIgOuuEm6xm_oc-rl6kgQ
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icon Re: Payoneer propao, obustavljena isplata30.06.2020. u 08:34 - pre 10 meseci
Čim su čuli da FCA spušta zamrzavanje odmah potrčali da časte prašinom:

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„Iako je FCA izneo ohrabrujuće znakove napretka u svojoj reviziji Wirecarda, odlučili smo da ne čekamo ishod. Čak i ako postoji manjak, naša namera je da Payoneer popuni prazninu, tako da dobijete 100 odsto svog novca nazad”, kaže izvršni direktor Payoneera Skot Galit za Startit Dnevnik.

Kako navodi, već 15 godina ponosno opslužuju svoje korisnike u preko 200 zemalja i teritorija širom sveta.

„Uvek smo bili tu za vas – naše kupce i klijente – i uvek ste bili tu zbog nas. Neumorno radimo na pronalaženju rešenja. Imamo milione korisnika širom sveta, pa je bilo potrebno da sarađujemo sa strateškim partnerima kako bismo pronašli dovoljno likvidnosti da bismo mogli ovo da učinimo.”

Podsetimo, kada je nastao čitav spor s Wirecardom, što je uticalo i na blokadu Payoneer kartica, korisnicima je ova kompanija za digitalno plaćanje rekla da veruje da će im novac biti vraćen. Sasvim opravdano, bili su napadnuti, jer od servisa kojem plaćate da čuva vaš novac, očekujete da upravo to i čini.
https://startit.rs/ceo-payonee...YZdB2z3KYwtQc69I-uBgbB3lpE4Etk

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icon Re: Payoneer propao, obustavljena isplata30.06.2020. u 14:27 - pre 10 meseci
Proradele kartice sve funkcioniše, ne znam koliki je limit platio sam račun u lidlu 14.000 din.
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icon Re: Payoneer propao, obustavljena isplata01.07.2020. u 20:22 - pre 10 meseci
Plaćam račune bez problema ali podizanje love na bankomatima slabo. Kada pokušam 100k izbaci mi karticu i napiše da nije u redu, kada sam pokušao 50k izbaci bez problema ali hiljadarke. Generalno je problem sa lovom u bankomatima! Ima je malo ili se slabo pune pa imaju neku svoju logistiku davljenja korisnika.
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icon Re: Payoneer propao, obustavljena isplata01.07.2020. u 21:00 - pre 10 meseci
Hahaha,Bordzija.
Nista ne prodajem ,samo se hvalim.

Avioni,kamioni a krparis djubre sa najlon pijace.
Samo te zekim malo,no hard feelings.
Ti si mi omiljeni lik na forumu i tvoje probleme rado citam.
 
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icon Re: Payoneer propao, obustavljena isplata01.07.2020. u 22:14 - pre 10 meseci
Kad imaš prihode imaš i rashode koji su proporcionalni jbg ako imaš 15 klima za vratom i 10 televizora ne možeš iste godine sve da menjaš i kupuješ novo. Krpiš popravljaš i kada mora kupiješ kvalitetno novo.

U zemlji u kojoj te država krade i reketira otpor postaje dužnost!
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icon Re: Payoneer propao, obustavljena isplata02.07.2020. u 09:34 - pre 10 meseci
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Dexic: Vlado, vi ste odavde uzeli advokata u USA i tamo je bilo rociste, bez vaseg prisustva?

Tacnije, uzeo sam advokata iz Holandskih Antila koji je putovao negde u USA na sudjenje. Mozda je on saradjivao sa nekim u USA... ne znam...Barem se tako nesto secam...
Ovlastio sam ga i to je to. Nikada se nismo videli niti culi. Samo email.

[Ovu poruku je menjao VladaSu dana 14.06.2003. u 11:22 GMT+1]
 
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icon Re: Payoneer propao, obustavljena isplata03.07.2020. u 15:04 - pre 10 meseci
Juče mi je stigao email da je sve po starom, balans ide na karticu, plaćanje funkcioniše jedini je problem sa bankomatima koji nemaju love unutra ili se brzo prazne. Iskren da budem sto godina nisam vido na bankomatu 5000 din novčanice koje bi znatno rasteretile ceo sistem ali očigledno da to nekome odgovara - dal državi ili bankama neću da ulazim u to. I meni bi najviše odg a ne da cepam džepove svaki put kada podižem lovu.
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