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icon GPL vs EULA - (Gojko zasto ne mogu da imam ovakav naziv?)18.03.2004. u 14:59 - pre 215 meseci
Vrlo dobru usporedbu dve najzastupljenije licence (Microsoft EULA-e i GPL-a) možete pročitati na http://www.cybersource.com.au/.../comparing_the_gpl_to_eula.pdf (PDF od 30 stranica). Posebno je zanimljiv dio na stranici 10. Veliki brat promatra? ;)

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.... * Internet-Based Services Components. The Product contains components that enable and facilitate the use of certain Internet-based services. You acknowledge and agree that Microsoft may automatically check the version of the Product and/or its components that you are utilizing and may provide upgrades or fixes to the Product that will be automatically downloaded to your Workstation Computer.

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You give Microsoft the right to make changes to your computer, without them asking you. This can have possibly critically-serious consequences, if for some reason the software that Microsoft installs on your computer may cause other, (important-to-you) software on that computer, to stop working. You may not know that Microsoft has enacted a change to your platform, and you may spend a substantial amount of time investigating this application software failure which has arisen, totally oblivious to that fact that your computer was changed without you knowing. ...

želite saznati na što još Microsoft ima pravo? :-)

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icon Re: GPL vs EULA - (Gojko zasto ne mogu da imam ovakav naziv?)18.03.2004. u 17:14 - pre 215 meseci
You acknowledge and agree that Microsoft may automatically check the version of the Product and/or its components that you are utilizing and may provide upgrades or fixes to the Product that will be automatically downloaded to your Workstation Computer.

Evo tacno ovako je oznaceno - samo delovi recenice i onda te delove i analiziraju. Pa gde to ima da ovako iseckas recenicu i onda radis analizu? :)))

Inace, "covek sa malo sive mase" bi zakljucio da se to odnosi na Windows Update, a posebno na Automatic Update. Kako ti mislis da ti isti stavi najnovije zakrpe i ostalo ako ne sme da vidi koju verziju neceg trenutno koristis? Kako mislis da ne sme da pristupi tvom racunaru automatski, a ukljucio si Automatic Update? :)

Automatic Update moze da se ukljuci/iskljuci, da se stavi da te obavestava pre downloada, pre instaliranja.. i zamisli sad ovo: moze AUTOMATSKI DA INSTALIRA ZAKRPE. Automatic Update, pa radi automatik :)

Cini mi se da je u EULA koji dolazi uz npr. SP4 za Win2K lepo navedeno na sta se to odnosi: Windows Update, Windows Media Player Update... itd.

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E stvarno, nisam ni slutio da bi ovakvo nesto moglo da dodje sa nekog Linux sajta :)
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icon Re: GPL vs EULA - (Gojko zasto ne mogu da imam ovakav naziv?)18.03.2004. u 18:10 - pre 215 meseci
Nigde ne stoji da se odnosi na Windows Update. Tacnije, time je pokrivena i funkcija automatskog azuriranja sistemom Windows Update, ali se nikako tu ne ogranicava.
 
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icon Re: GPL vs EULA - (Gojko zasto ne mogu da imam ovakav naziv?)18.03.2004. u 18:16 - pre 215 meseci
Rekoh, pogledaj EULA u SP4 gde je tacno navedeno na sta se odnosi (promenjeno je u odnosu na EULA iz SP3 verovatno bas zbog ovakvih prica). Ko hoce da paranoise moze slobodno i uvek ce naci nesto da podrzi neku teoriju zavere.

Sto se privatnosti tice, leka bi trebao bolje da zna - odavno si je izgubio koristio kompjuter ili ne, sa ovim ili onim OS na njemu. Sta moja banka zna o meni, ili neko ko bi uzeo da pogleda moje papire za taksu koju moram da radim svake godine, tek da ne pricam. A te papire svakako pregledaju svake godine - bolje mi je da budu tacni.

[Ovu poruku je menjao degojs dana 18.03.2004. u 14:24 GMT]
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icon Re: GPL vs EULA - (Gojko zasto ne mogu da imam ovakav naziv?)18.03.2004. u 18:20 - pre 215 meseci
Imas li link ka SP4 EULA? Kuci imam XP (priznajem da nikad nisam procitao EULA koji dolazi uz njega).
 
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icon Re: GPL vs EULA - (Gojko zasto ne mogu da imam ovakav naziv?)18.03.2004. u 18:27 - pre 215 meseci
Nemam - skini SP4 i pogledaj, mogu i ja ako bas ne verujes.

Vec je bilo govora o tome i ja sam tada copy-paste te delove iz SP4 u odgovor, otud i znam. Tema je bila na .NET forumu ali je Tata obrisao kasnije poruke jer i nije tamo mesto da se o tome svadjamo :)

Nadam se da nisu opet promenili isti :)

Evo za prvu ruku nasao sam ti jedan tekst:

Updated EULA—There's been a lot of controversy about so-called "phone home" features embedded in Microsoft products, particularly because those features raise privacy concerns. Windows XP also includes several of them, such as Windows Media Player, Update Root Certificates, and error reporting features. Due to strong public criticism, Microsoft has updated the Windows 2000 End User License Agreement to address these issues. According to Microsoft, users are now given more specific information regarding features that will "call home" to Microsoft and are made aware that they can turn these features off if they want to. (Both Digital Rights Management and Software Error Reporting by default run in silent mode, but can be turned off; I cover these and other "phone home" features in more detail in this article I've written for another site.)

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Microsoft also updated its End User License Agreements (EULA) with SP4, which now alerts customers to the fact that they can turn off certain features they may not want to enable. These changes are documented in the "Automatic Internet-Based Services" section of the agreement and will "provide better disclosure and more control," the spokeswoman said.

Cak i da nisu promenili EULA, ne znam sta bi mogli sa tim da rade? Da to koriste negde? Na sudu? Cisto sumnjam da bi bilo koji sud prihvatio tako pribavljene dokaze?
Kao sto rekoh, ko god hoce da ovo koristi za paranoisanje - samo napred :)


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icon Re: GPL vs EULA - (Gojko zasto ne mogu da imam ovakav naziv?)18.03.2004. u 19:30 - pre 215 meseci
3. AUTOMATIC INTERNET-BASED SERVICES.
The Software features described below are enabled by
default to connect via the Internet to Microsoft
computer systems automatically, without separate
notice to you. You consent to the operation
of these features, unless you choose to switch
them off or not use them. Microsoft does not
obtain personally identifiable information
through any of these features.
For more
information about these features, please see
your Software documentation or the Microsoft
online support site.

a. Windows Update Features.
Under the Software's default configuration, if you connect
a device to your Computer and the correct device driver is
not available on your Computer, then Windows Update
features on your Computer (including Device Manager
and the Plug & Play CDM Module) automatically attempt
to check Microsoft computer systems via the Internet
for the correct device driver. Having this happen
automatically makes Plug-and-Play installation of
new hardware a better experience for customers.
You may switch off Windows Update's automatic driver
checking feature.

b. Web Content Features.
Under the Software's default configuration, if you are
connected to the Internet, several features of the Software
are enabled by default to retrieve content from Microsoft
computer systems and display it to you. When you activate
such a feature, it uses standard Internet protocols, which
transmit the type of operating system, browser and language
code of your Computer to the Microsoft computer system so
that the content can be viewed properly from your Computer.
These features only operate when you activate them, and
you may choose to switch them off or not use them.
An example of this feature is Appshelp.

c. Digital Certificates.
Use of certificates based on the X.509 standard is an
important security feature of the Software. Certain
functions of the X.509 implementation (for example,
certificate revocation checking and certificate path
building) connect via the Internet to computer systems
belonging to Microsoft and other digital certificate
authorities to check the validity of digital certificates
that you receive from third parties during certain
Internet-based operations (for example, communications
secured with SSL or IPsec, mail secured with S/MIME, and
smartcard authentication). In accordance with the X.509
standard, the Software automatically retrieves user
certificates and certificate revocation lists when you
attempt to access certificate protected content.
Additionally, the Software's Auto Root Update feature will
occasionally update the list of trusted certificate
authorities. Auto Root Update is an optional feature; you
can uninstall it if you do not desire it to function. The
other security operations based on the X.509 standard can
be prevented from operating by blocking Computer Internet
access.

d. Windows Media Digital Rights Management.
Content providers are using the digital rights management
technology for Windows Media contained in this Software
("WM-DRM") to protect the integrity of their content
("Secure Content") so that their intellectual property,
including copyright, in such content is not misappropriated.
Portions of this Software and third party applications such
as media players use WM-DRM to play Secure Content
("WM-DRM Software"). If the WM-DRM Software's security
has been compromised, owners of Secure Content ("Secure
Content Owners") may request that Microsoft revoke
the WM-DRM Software's right to copy, display and/or
play Secure Content. Revocation does not alter the
WM-DRM Software's ability to play unprotected content.
A list of revoked WM-DRM Software is sent to your
computer whenever you download a license for Secure
Content from the Internet. Microsoft may, in
conjunction with such license, also download
revocation lists onto your computer on behalf of
Secure Content Owners. Secure Content Owners
may also require you to upgrade some of the WM-DRM
components in this Software ("WM-DRM Upgrades") before
accessing their content. When you attempt to play
such content, WM-DRM Software built by Microsoft
will notify you that a WM-DRM Upgrade is required
and then ask for your consent before the WM-DRM
Upgrade is downloaded. WM-DRM Software built
by third parties may do the same. If you decline
the upgrade, you will not be able to access content
that requires the WM-DRM Upgrade; however, you will
still be able to access unprotected content and
Secure Content that does not require the upgrade.
WM-DRM features that access the Internet, such
as acquiring new licenses and/or performing a
required WM-DRM Upgrade, can be switched off. When
these features are switched off, you will still be able
to play Secure Content if you have a valid license for
such content already stored on your computer.

e. Windows Media Player.
Some features of Windows Media Player automatically
contact Microsoft computer systems if you use
Windows Media Player or specific features of it:
features that (A) check for new codecs if your
Computer does not have the correct ones for content
you attempt to play (this feature may be switched
off), and (B) check for new versions of Windows
Media Player (this feature will operate only
when you are using Windows Media Player).


Čak i ako su promenili tekst u WinXP, mogu sa tim da se slikaju.

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icon Re: GPL vs EULA - (Gojko zasto ne mogu da imam ovakav naziv?)18.03.2004. u 19:44 - pre 215 meseci
I znaš šta još - ne znam što ja uopšte više i odgovaram na ovakve stvari (pisalo ovo ili ono, isto je), kad je očigledno da taj koji je to pisao --- to je njemu duševna hrana tipa "zašto ja ne koristim Windows" :(
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icon Re: GPL vs EULA - (Gojko zasto ne mogu da imam ovakav naziv?)18.03.2004. u 22:12 - pre 215 meseci
Seti se razloga "Zasto ja ne koristim Linux". Nije lepo lisavati nekog dusevne hrane.

U duhovnom smislu bi skapali od gladi. A advocacy forum bi opusteo. :)
 
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icon Re: GPL vs EULA - (Gojko zasto ne mogu da imam ovakav naziv?)19.03.2004. u 21:50 - pre 215 meseci
Pa jeste, ali jesi li pogledao fajl na koji je leka dao link? Bukvalno svaka rečenica koju su uzeli u analizu je "iseckana" i uvek komentarišu ono loše što se dobije izostavljanjem onog što stvari čini OK. Pa mislim - toliko očigledno..?
Nego znaš šta je, meni se uvek čini kao da ovi što koriste linux imaju potrebu da na sva zvona pričaju o takvim stvarima ili da na sav glas trešuju Windows. Nije se desilo još da se postavi neka tema o Longhornu a da se ne pojave Linux majstori koji odmah pričaju to što pričaju. Nekako nisam primetio da je obrnuta stvar takođe prisutna. Meni to izgleda kao kompleks. Doduše ne mogu da tvrdim 100% pošto sam već dosta ranije sve Linux i Unix forume stavio na ignore :)
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icon Re: GPL vs EULA - (Gojko zasto ne mogu da imam ovakav naziv?)19.03.2004. u 21:50 - pre 215 meseci
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Nije se desilo još da se postavi neka tema o Longhornu a da se ne pojave Linux majstori koji odmah pričaju to što pričaju. Nekako nisam primetio da je obrnuta stvar takođe prisutna.


a nisi primetio da kako izađe nova verzija linux kernela, pojavi se tu neki koji će da komentariše "opa, opet ćemo da se igramo, edukujemo i slično.."?!?

meni recimo sa te strane ti nisi jasan. šta tebe briga što je izašao novi kernel? mada, odavno sam prestao da se čudim.. samo kažem sebi "ima gi razni".. ;)

 
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icon Re: GPL vs EULA - (Gojko zasto ne mogu da imam ovakav naziv?)19.03.2004. u 21:50 - pre 215 meseci
Pa vidiš li da ja to radim ovde na Advocacy, kako sam već 10x rekao. Moj komentar, ako nisi primetio, "izašla nova verzija edu softvera" je uvek namenjen axezu čisto iz zezanja pošto on onomad reče da je sav open source softver - edukativni, pri čemu se naravno i on malo šalio (valjda:).. A opet, to radimo ovde, a ne na tehn. forumima, gde bi to baš bilo bezveze. Ja ne znam kako ti ne vidiš razliku u pisanju takvih budaleština ovde i na nekom drugom forumu.. Da nije zato što i ti malo malo pa odeš na neki Windows forum pa udri staru priču o Borlandu i MS? :)

Kako me ne bi bilo briga kad je izašao novi kernel? Svašta. Pa to kad se desi, ja stojim mirno sa rukom na srcu i puštam neku svečanu muziku. Volim slobodu, pa to ti je.
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icon Re: GPL vs EULA - (Gojko zasto ne mogu da imam ovakav naziv?)19.03.2004. u 21:50 - pre 215 meseci
@degojs: mogu samo da budem srecan sto te nema na *nix forumima, jer bi moderatori imali pune ruke posla.
I ja pustam pogrebnu moziku i molim se za duse gresnika kad izadje nova verzija Windowsa. S.T.S. S.T.S. S.T.S. S.T.S. (Save Their Souls).
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icon Re: GPL vs EULA - (Gojko zasto ne mogu da imam ovakav naziv?)19.03.2004. u 21:50 - pre 215 meseci
Pa kog ću vraga tamo - da čitam vesti i analize sa ovakvih sajtova, možda?
Baš bi bilo lepo da sad leka ode na taj Hulk pa stavi ove delove EULA... :)

Uzgred, tebi bolje da se moliš za svoju dušu, zbog.. ma znaš i sam zašto (e 'ebi ga, opet ja..) :>


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icon Re: GPL vs EULA - (Gojko zasto ne mogu da imam ovakav naziv?)19.03.2004. u 21:50 - pre 215 meseci
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Da nije zato što i ti malo malo pa odeš na neki Windows forum pa udri staru priču o Borlandu i MS? :)


windows forumi (valjda svi do jednog) su mi na ignore listi već neko vreme, tako da.. nešto si se verovatno zeznuo..

a inače, znam razliku u advocacy, ali sam se pitao otkuda tebi takve vesti. koje ti to sajtove čitaš? čudno mi je samo to što ja lično, vest o novom kernelu najčešće čujem baš od tebe.. :-P

 
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Pa recimo OSNews.com :)
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Moze moja dusa mnogo toga da podnese, pa mi je najmanji problem... ma znas ti.
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icon Re: GPL vs EULA - (Gojko zasto ne mogu da imam ovakav naziv?)20.03.2004. u 03:52 - pre 215 meseci
Usput, na OSNews uvek ima materijala za Advocacy :) Evo sada je aktuelna vest: "OpenOffice Market Share Nears 14.3 Percent" kao i "EU, Microsoft Fail to Agree on Deal" (malo starija), sve što bi rekli - "na izvol'te."

Ne znam samo otkud Goranu Rakiću da je OSNews "pro-Windows" sajt.
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icon Re: GPL vs EULA - (Gojko zasto ne mogu da imam ovakav naziv?)21.03.2004. u 09:57 - pre 215 meseci
Nov sam na ovim forumima ...

Ja sam znao da ima (nazalost mnogo) korisnika Win-a ali nisam imao pojma da postoji TOLIKO ljudi koji misle da je to kvalitetan i dobar proizvod!
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icon Re: GPL vs EULA - (Gojko zasto ne mogu da imam ovakav naziv?)21.03.2004. u 18:24 - pre 215 meseci
Pa eto i ti si jedan od tih korisnika. Ako misliš da nije kvalitetan, zašto ne koristiš nešto drugo?

Ja sam lepo probao Linux, video koliko je kvalitetan, izbrisao ga i sad mi je mirna savest. Zašto i ti ne uradiš nešto slično?
 
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