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icon Zanima me nesto u vezi Ajnstajnovog objasnjenja graviacije02.08.2009. u 22:57 - pre 179 meseci
Sto je telo vece pravi vecu zakrivljenost u prostoru pa vreme sporije tece.
Ja sam mislio da je ovo samo pretpostavka dok nisam gledao neku emisiju gde je to u stvari i tacno. Vestacki sateliti oko Zemlje se nalaze u prostoru gde vreme brze tece nego na Zemlji pa je zato potrebno vrsiti vremensku sinhronizciju da bi GPS uredjaji mogli lepo da rade inace bi imali gresku od oko 20-30 km.

Mene zanima da li kada bi boravio izvan atmosfere (npr. vreme tece duplo brze nego na zemlji) ja brze stario, ili ne?
Odnosno da li bi ja duplo brze stario nego na Zemlji?
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icon Re: Zanima me nesto u vezi Ajnstajnovog objasnjenja graviacije02.08.2009. u 23:14 - pre 179 meseci
Satovi na GPS satelitima su podlozni i specijalnoj i opstoj teoriji relativnosti. Specijalnoj, zato sto se nalaze u stalnom kretanju tj. imaju vecu brzinu od referentnih atomskih satova na Zemlji, usled toga satovi na satelitima kasne za nekih 7 mikrosekundi/dan. Opstoj, iz razloga koji si spomenuo tj. razlicitog gravitacionog potencijala, usled ovog satovi na satelitima zure za 45 mikrosekundi/dan. Zajedno ova dva efekta zahtevaju uskladjivanje od 38 mikrosekundi/dan.
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icon Re: Zanima me nesto u vezi Ajnstajnovog objasnjenja graviacije02.08.2009. u 23:35 - pre 179 meseci
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RMAN:
Mene zanima da li kada bi boravio izvan atmosfere (npr. vreme tece duplo brze nego na zemlji) ja brze stario, ili ne?
Odnosno da li bi ja duplo brze stario nego na Zemlji?


Ne, ti ces uvek istom brzinom da staris jer si uvek vezan za sopstveni sistem reference. Jedino sto ce drugi da te vide da sporije staris. Recimo da unapred znamo da ces da zivis 100 godina i po rodjenju dobijes casovnik i koji uvek nosis sa sobom, tebi ce to vreme uvek istom brzinom da tece pa bio na zemlji, marsu ili bilo gde (ili kretao se bilo kojom brzinom). Znaci ti ces ziveti 100 godina tacno. Medjutim ako se kreces nekom velikom brzinom u odnosu na nekog drugog posmatraca TAJ posmatrac ce tebe da vidi da mnogo sporije staris, drugim recima dok prodje jedna sekunda tebi njemu ce proci dve pa ces za njega da zivis 200 godina.

Poenta je da ne mozes da hakujes svoj bioloski casovnik ziveces koliko je predvidjeno da zivis ma gde bio i ma kojom brzinom se kretao. Jedino je moguce da za druge staris sporije ili brze.
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icon Re: Zanima me nesto u vezi Ajnstajnovog objasnjenja graviacije03.08.2009. u 06:09 - pre 179 meseci
Relativity produces several measurable effects on the GPS System that uncorrected would render the system useless. The most common effect is on GPS time measurements. Each satellite in the GPS constellation carries one or more atomic clocks in order for a GPS receiver to compare the signals from different satellites and triangulate its position. Three relativistic effects are the time dilation, gravitational frequency shift, and eccentricity effects.

The time dilation effect is predicted by the theory of Special Relativity. The theory states that relative motion between two clocks will cause the moving clock to appear slower than the stationary one. Thus, the clock on board a GPS satellite will lag behind an identical GPS receiver clock. Relativity predicts that the clock frequency will be slowed by a factor of , or result in a delay of about 7 μs/day, where the orbital velocity is v = 4 km/s, and c = the speed of light. The time dilation effect has been measured and verified using the GPS system.

The effect of gravitational frequency shift on the GPS system is due to General Relativity, which states that a clock closer to a massive object will be slower than a clock farther away. Applied to the GPS system, the receivers are much closer to Earth than the satellites, causing the GPS clocks to appear faster by a factor of 5×10^(-10), or about 45 μs/day. Gravitational frequency shift is also a noticeable effect.

Combining the time dilation and gravitational frequency shift, clocks on the GPS satellites tick approximately 38 μs/day faster than clocks on the ground or in GPS receivers. Without correcting for these effects, errors in position determination of roughly 10 km/day would accumulate, resulting in a worthless system. In addition, because GPS satellite orbits are not perfectly circular, their elliptical orbits cause the time dilation and gravitational frequency shift effects to vary with time. This eccentricity effect causes the clock rate difference between a GPS satellite and a receiver to increase or decrease depending on the velocity orbital altitude of the satellite.

Several steps are taken to correct for relativistic effects and maintain a usable GPS system. First, each GPS satellite clock is programmed with a “factory offset” to match the 38 μs/day time shift. Second, GPS receivers are equipped with a microcomputer to perform relativistic calculations which help to correct for the aforementioned effects. Lastly, GPS satellite clock speeds are updated daily to be within 1 μs of Universal Coordinated Time as regulated by the US Naval Observatory.


Effects of relativity on GPS


Thus the astronaut actually ages faster on the spacecraft. Don't get too excited though, the difference is tiny. After a million days (2,700 years) in orbit, the astronaut is exactly one second older than he would have been if he had stayed on the ground. :)


 
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icon Re: Zanima me nesto u vezi Ajnstajnovog objasnjenja graviacije03.08.2009. u 15:19 - pre 179 meseci
Da da, to sam i ja mislio. Bilo mi je totalno nelogicno da cu ja brze ostariti negde u svemiru nego na Zemlji. Sad sam skontao to za posmatraca da cu ja brze stariti ili da cu ja biti mladji od njega.

Ok, hvala svima, sad mi je jasnije.
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