Barton 2500+ menjati ili ne

Ukazala mi se prilika da (bez doplate) posaljem staru konfiguraciju u penziju.
Trenutno imam Asus A7N8X-E Deluxe plocu sa Barton 2500 + i 2x256/400

Interesuje me vredi li isti menjati za AMD Sempron 64 2800+
Ploce koje mogu da uzmem za ovaj 64 su Asus K8N ili MSI K8N Neo-FSR

Nacitao sam se svega i svacega, neki pljuju S754, neki Sempron 64 pa sam malo u trilemi Confused Racunar ne clockujem nikad znaci ta stavka mi nije bitna. S939 i Athlon 64 ne morate ni da spominjete posto takva opcija ne postoji.

Znaci pitanja su:
- Menjati ili ne?
- Koju plocu izabrati?
- Dal bi bilo vidljive promene u brzini rada?

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Ja ne bi menjao. Sta mislis da bi dobio?

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Hmm, pa da sam na tvom mestu ja bih menjao i to iz najmanje tri razloga:
1. Nove komponente su nove komponente
2. Radoznalost
3. Neki rast performansi ipak postoji, pre svega zahvaljujuci integrisanom memorijskom kontroleru u samom procesoru.
Kada su u pitanju ploce, mislim da je sasvim svejedno, ali ja bih uzeo MSI

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Upravo tako, novo je novo. Što se tiče brzine, Barton 2500+ radi an 1.83 GHz a Sempron 64 2800+ na 1.60 a sad koji tebi paše :)

Iako ima manje kesha nego barton(ili lupam,...zaista nisam siguran) taj sempron svakako moze da adresira mnogo vishe ram memorije nego bartonovo jezgro,znachi procesor je 64-bitni,to ti odmah govori da je bolje imati ga.
Shto kaze eatmyshorts,nema nishta lepshe nego kad upalish neshto da radi,a ono josh ni prashinu nema i kad ga pomirishesh a ono nekakva sintetika mirishe i naravno,garancija.

Shto se ploche tiche,uzimaj K8N.

Jeste novo je novo, ali ako dobrog mercedesa menjas za novog juga, onda sam odluci. Imam slicnu konfiguraciju i realno bi skok bio na 939 i a64. Ostalo je bacanje para.

Cao,

Ako ti sadasnji racunar sljaka kako treba, ja mislim da je bolje da ne cackas mecku. Znam za slucajeve kada su ljudi pokusavali da naprave "upgrade" tog tipa, i ko za baksuz, ne samo da nisu nista dobili vec su cak i na kraju bili u gubitku. Barton 2500+ je ODLICAN procesor i ne bih ga menjao ni za koji Sempron. Uzgred, u vreme kada je radjen taj Barton to je bila perijanica AMD-a tako da verujem da su koristeni najbolji proizvodni pogoni. Sempron je daleko do toga da je perijanica sadasnje AMD-ove ponude tako da me ne bi cudilo da ti uleti i neki primerak koji ce ti praviti probleme, pa ces mozda imati i gnjavazu sa menjanima i slicno. Pored toga i druge komponente mogu da ti prave probleme bez obzira na to sto su nove. Nabavka nove masine je uvek vezana za rizik da nesto ne valja i da mora da se menja, a ja mrzim da se smaram oko takvih stvari. Ja se ne bih odricao konja koji dobro sluzi. Sto se tice toga da je novo novo, to je apsolutno tacno, ALI ja se toga drzim kada kupujem novu masinu, a novu masinu kupujem tek ako sam siguran da cu imati bar 30% dobitak u perfomansama. U tvom slucaju to je tesko ostvarivo, sa kombinacijom koju si naveo.

Pozdrav

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Za Bartona, dakle ne mijenjati

podrzavam music mastera, istina, semprone a ne pravi athlon 64 ali sta ces,
u svakom slucaju, nova stvar, koja ce ti puno doneti, i novi sitemi koji
izlaze, i novi programi koji ce dolaziti ce sve vise ici u prilog novog
racunara koji ti se nudi. Drugo, zasto da zadrziz nesto matoro koje je
nategnuto do maksimuma da bi radilo kako se tebi svidja, ne kazem da i
sempron neces budziti,ali opet, i mem. Kontroler, i nova bolja ploca, a
jednog dana i novi procesor koji je kaci od semprna, ko zna. Nemoj da se
mnogo nerviras sto je 754 podnozje, bice tog podnozja jos dugo, pa postoje i
ploca sa pcx na njima umesto agpa pa mozez da uzmes ako zelis i neku pcx
kartu, mada i sa agpom neces mnogo zazaliti. I da, uzmi k8n neces zazaliti,
ja je imam i odlicna je. Molim da se niko ne nadje prozvanim, znam za
rasprave o podnozjima i razlicitim misljenjima, ovo je moje.

I sad, jedan tekstic, cisto da nam svima krene voda na usta;)

:) ma koje sad bolji, kakva podnozja, kakvi amd i intel procesori sve je to
past:))))

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AtomChipR SG220-2 [Back view]

1 - STORAGE COMPARTMENT
2 - RAM COMPARTMENT
3 - PROCESSOR COMPARTMENT


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[The cover of the quantum processor is removed]

1 - Connectors
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3 - Optical Lens (Transceiver-2)
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iii. Kvant Equipment, Ltd. (Hong Kong)

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naravno Barton 101%

U svakom slucaju hvala svima na savetima. Imao sam MSI K8N Neo3 plocu kod sebe i pomenuti procesor (Sempron 64 2800+). Bas me i nije odusevila konfiguracija. Ima neke sitne razlike u brzini ali nije tolika razlika da bih vredelo menjati.

Kao sto sam u 1. postu napisao varijanta za Athlon 64 nije postojala, tako da sam ostao pri staroj ploci i procesoru. Gigabit lan imam i ovako i puno mi vise odgovara ploca sa 2 integrisane mrezne.

Ako se jos neko dvoumi oko menjaze Bartona za Sempron 64, toplo preporucujem da ne menja nista. Za Athlon 64 ne bih znao reci nista konkretno zasad, posto jos nisam imao prilike isprobati.

Tolko od mene.

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Moze li meni neko da pomogne.Koji cooler da kupim za AMD Athlon 2200

da promenis Bartona .
To nikako nesmes da uradis,pa to je jedan od najstabilnij procesora,mislim da bi napravio veliku gresku,a i ako to uradis sam ces se uveriti

Najbolje je uraditi upgade na Intela.A pre toga kupiti semprona i potpuno se uveriti da je upgrade na intela najbolje reshenje.

;)

Kakvi se kod vas semproni valjaju ljudi. Na stolu u radnji imam intela 2.4 ghz i 865 (ne celerona) ploču i semprona 2600 s754 običnog koji radi na 1.6 MHz. A ovo pišem sa i945 ploče + celeron 326 2.53 GHz. 512 ddr2 twinmos. Od svih njih cini mi se da je win xp najbrze dize sempron, zatim celeron pa P4(prescot). Diskovi su od 80 giga maxtor ATA 133. Komfor rada je najbolji (znam da zvuči ludo) na sempronu i celeronu. Koliko sam ja s754 semprone sretao nisu losi za cenu koju imaju. Naravno za 80 eura vise ne bi ni ocekivao. Ja bi menjao bartona ili za celeron ili za semprona s obzirom na cenu ploce (kvalitetne PCI-E) moj izbor bi bio sempron. A sad novo je uvek novo, a ako je i besplatno slobodno uzimaj novo.

Jednom "šala", drugi put "šala", pa i treći, ali slične "šale" svaki dan - malo je neumesno. A i dosadno. Pokušaj da se zadržiš na temi, BEZ provociranja flejma "Amd vs Intel".

Hvala na razumevanju i pozdrav

pa znas kako posto je za dzabe mogao bi i da uznes taj sempron, mada realno neces nesto mnogo dobiti, ali neces sigurno ni izgubit, ako su taj sempron i ploca stvarno novi i imaju garanciju!
i nisam razumeo da li zadrzavas memoriju ili je i ona deo razmene!
Da kojim slucajem KUPUJES semprona a imas to sto imas ,to ne bih preporucio, vec stekanje novca i kupovina A64 i s939 sa pci-x, i nove graficke!
Ali posto ne placas...

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Ne !

Ja imam bartona 2500@3200. Da sam na tvom mestu bez veće dileme bi zamenio staro za novo. Novo je 64 bitno, ima pci expres a taj sempron se klokuje do bola a onda je razlika u brzini drastična.

Po meni ne ako ides na Sempron64.
Samo opcija Athlon64 vredi posle bartona.

Pozdrav!