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icon Tornado i 'evropske' zgrade31.07.2008. u 01:30 - pre 191 meseci
Evo bas sad gledam discovery, i kazu ovde kako tornado rusi ceo grad, ali bukvalno sve. I gledam one tipicne americke kuce, malo drvene konstrukcije, i preko neke gips ili drvene ploce, i to je sve. E sad, zanima me vase misljenje, kako bi se ponasale 'nase' zgrade u takvim uslovima.

Posto se ne razumem u stvarne snage vetra, ali recimo, kolike su sanse da jedan takav jaci tornado, ako bi se teoretski pojavio blize nama, porusi recimo zgradu iz armiranog betona? Ili recimo tipicni "socialisticki" soliter?

Znam da je malo glupo pitanje, ali onako teoretski me zanima, kako bo se pokazala jedna takva 'jaca' zgrada tamo gde se cesto pojavlja tornado.
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icon Re: Tornado i 'evropske' zgrade31.07.2008. u 02:24 - pre 191 meseci
http://www.adobemachine.com/tornadoproof.htm

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Central_Texas_tornado_outbreak
The tornado initially caused major damage to a marina on Lake Travis. The tornado then severely damaged a reinforced concrete building containing a telephone switching center. It then completely destroyed a stone house, leaving the foundation bare. It then moved into the Hazy Hills subdivision, destroying several homes and mobile homes. This tornado killed one man while he was either blown from his mobile home or truck while attempting to seek safe shelter.[2]
Grass and dirt in fields near Jarrell were ripped up out of the ground to a depth of 18 in or (50 cm). When the tornado crossed county roads outside Jarrell, it ripped 500 feet (150m) of asphalt off the roads.[2]http://www.nws.noaa.gov/om/assessments/pdfs/jarrell.pdf

Nije pitanje samo cement, vec i jacina tornada, nezaboravi objekte koje ce da udare u zgradu, nesmes da imas otvorene prozore, oblik zgrade,....

Snaga Tornado sa http://www.wunderground.com/tornadoFAQ.asp
New EF Scale: Old F-Scale: Typical Damage:
EF0 (65-85 mph) F0 (65-73 mph) Light damage. Peels surface off some roofs; some damage to gutters or siding; branches broken off trees; shallow-rooted trees pushed over.
EF1 (86-110 mph) F1 (73-112 mph) Moderate damage. Roofs severely stripped; mobile homes overturned or badly damaged; loss of exterior doors; windows and other glass broken.
EF2(111-135 mph) F2 (113-157 mph) Considerable damage. Roofs torn off well-constructed houses; foundations of frame homes shifted; mobile homes completely destroyed; large trees snapped or uprooted; light-object missiles generated; cars lifted off ground.
EF3 (136-165 mph) F3 (158-206 mph) Severe damage. Entire stories of well-constructed houses destroyed; severe damage to large buildings such as shopping malls; trains overturned; trees debarked; heavy cars lifted off the ground and thrown; structures with weak foundations blown away some distance.
EF4 (166-200 mph) F4 (207-260 mph) Devastating damage. Whole frame houses Well-constructed houses and whole frame houses completely leveled; cars thrown and small missiles generated.
EF5 (>200 mph) F5 (261-318 mph) Incredible damage. Strong frame houses leveled off foundations and swept away; automobile-sized missiles fly through the air in excess of 100 m (109 yd); high-rise buildings have significant structural deformation; incredible phenomena will occur.
EF No rating F6-F12 (319 mph to speed of sound) Inconceivable damage. Should a tornado with the maximum wind speed in excess of F5 occur, the extent and types of damage may not be conceived. A number of missiles such as iceboxes, water heaters, storage tanks, automoblies, etc.will create serious secondary damage on structures.

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65 miles = 104.60736 kilometers
200 miles = 321.8688 kilometers
Jarell je bio udaren sa F5 tornadom, verovatno si video film Twister (1996) tamo su jurili F5
F0 oluci osteceni F1 rusi crepove, F2 odnosi krov, F3 prevrce kola, F4 baca kola i lete manji projektili, F5 pravi strukturnu ostetu na soliteru, auta lete, F6+ sta ne moze?
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icon Re: Tornado i 'evropske' zgrade31.07.2008. u 02:26 - pre 191 meseci
Nije uopste glupo pitanje...

Misljenja su podeljena, ja verujem da manjim objektima ne bi falilo nista osim krova i prozora (krov bi bio oduvan bez problema, a prozori bi popucali ili od pritiska ili od predmeta koje tornado ponese).
 
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icon Re: Tornado i \\\\\\\\\\\\\\\'evropske\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\' zgrade31.07.2008. u 03:26 - pre 191 meseci
Generalno posle prolaska tornada ostala bi sama konstrukcija ali samo ako je izuzetno
kvalitetno gradjena (armirano sve, beton, stabilno), dok bi sve osim osnovne konstrukcije
bilo odneto (znaci, zgrada bi posle tornada izgledala slicno kao posle pozara - samo zidovi,
a unutra nista, tj gomila krsa i mrtvih/povredjenih). Jednom kada tornado probije stakla iznutra prosto sve biva izduvano napolje
kroz vrata, prozore, itd - ili "razleteno na sve strane" (sto bi nas narod rek'o - izuzetno jaka promaja).
Naravno, tornado ima svoje stepene jacine, i mislim da bi ovako kako sam opisao bilo
kod nekih izuzetno jakih samo. Moze tornado u principu da iscupa kucu iz temelja i da je
podigne, ali se obicno radi o lakim materijalima u kombinaciji sa slabijom vezom sa zemljom
(neko je vec pomenuo tipicne americke kuce)
Priliom tornada za ljude su ustvari najopasniji "projektili" od raznih materijala koji lete
ogromnim brzinama, i cesto se desava da recimo drvena letva koja brzo leti moze da probije i neki
tanji pregradni zid (testirano).
 
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