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Evo prenecu ovde osnovne ideje, da ne bismo lutali. Bitno je i da se ne shvate olako naucne discipline koje je potrebno proucavati i uciti godinama. Tako da je i za poznavanje hijerarhije zakona potrebno veliko i sasvim posebno znanje.
Citat: Hvala Spreco. Volim da razgovaram sa ljudima koji imaju siroko obrazovanje. Ovaj slucaj je samo uvreda za ljude koji imaju pravo formalno obrazovanje, i pokaz kakvo je stanje sa formalnim obrazovanjem u ovoj zemlji. To je jedan pogled na ljude koji u nedostatku argumenata agresivno napadaju, a ne znaju osnovne stvari, i kako im sopstveno neznanje izaziva bes. Ali taj bes ispoljavaju prema drugima.
Ti i galet@world ne napadate biser mudrosti, vec vam smeta sto vas teraju da klecite pred njihovom ikonom. Jer su se osilili, i misle da su iznad svega.
Ali to su njihovi instrumenti izmerili, i teraju vas da se poklonite njihovoj agresivnoj fizici. Ali vi znate, da ako su otkrili, nisu stvorili. Njihova nauka se odrzava uz bezbroj kompromisa, a vi na to ne zelite da pristanete.
Njihova agresivna matematika i fizika su doneli more bede I uzasa, tone radioaktivnog otpada, i pretnju od samounistenja covecanstva. Zato sto njihova matematika provaljuje kroz prozor kao lopov, ne postujuci hijerarhiju.
To je zato sto imaju nedostatak u obrazovanju. Ovde bih obratio paznju na neka vekovna znanja, i velike naucnike, koji su imali sasvim drugaciji pristup od ovog bahatog ponasanja danas.
Predocicu neke Platonove zapise koji su stari preko dve hiljade godina. U njima Platon govori o njegovim idejama o obrazovanju.
“Plato wrote The Republic in around 375 BC, so about 75 years before Euclid wrote The Elements. In this work Plato sets out his ideas about education. For this, he believes, one must study the five mathematical disciplines, namely arithmetic, plane geometry, solid geometry, astronomy, and harmonics. After mastering mathematics, then one can proceed to the study of philosophy.”
http://www-history.mcs.st-and....tras/Plato_on_mathematics.html
Izvinjavam se svima, sto nisam preveo na Srpski, ali mislim da cete naci ovaj tekst i sa dobrim Srpskim prevodom. Dakle ja cu se osvrnuti na poslednju disciplinu, harmoniju, koja je danas potpuno zaboravljena, i daleka i nedostupna danasnjim naucnicima, i cesto izvrnuta ruglu i podsmehu. Dakle obratite paznju da postoji hijerarhija u disciplinama, i da je harmonija na poslednjem, najvisem mestu.
Citat: Evo sta Platon govori o tome:
Plato argues the merits of harmonics:
'Motion,' I said, 'has many forms, and not just one. Two of them are obvious enough even to brains no better than ours; but there are others, as I imagine, which may be left to experts.'
'But what are the two?'
'There is a second,' I said, 'which is the counterpart of the one already named.'
'And what is that?'
'The second,' I said, 'would seem to relate to the ears in the same way that the first relates to the eyes. For I believe that as the eyes are designed to look up at the stars, so are the ears are designed to hear movements of harmony, and these are sister sciences - as the Pythagoreans say, and we, Glaucon, agree with them?'
'Yes,' he replied.
'But this,' I said, 'is a long and difficult study, and therefore we had better go and consult them on the subject and they will tell us whether there are any other applications of these sciences. At the same time, we must not lose sight of our own higher principles.'
'What is that?'
'There is a level which all knowledge ought to reach, and which our pupils ought also to attain, and not to fall short of, as I was saying that they did in astronomy. For in the science of harmony, as you probably know, the same thing happens. The teachers of harmony compare the sounds and consonances which are audible, and their labour, like that of the astronomers, is in vain.'
'Yes, by heaven!' he said, 'and its as good as a play to hear them talking about their condensed notes, as they call them. They put their ears close alongside of the strings like people trying to hear a sound through their neighbour's wall - some of them declaring that they can distinguish an intermediate note and have found the least interval which should be the unit of measurement, while the others insist that there is no difference between the two notes - both lots are putting their ears before their understanding.'
'You mean,' I said, 'those gentlemen who tease and torment the strings and twist them on the pegs of the instrument. I might continue the metaphor and speak after their manner of the blows which the plectrum gives, and make accusations against the strings, both of backwardness and forwardness to sound - but this would be tedious, and therefore I will only say that these are not the men, and that I am referring to the Pythagoreans, of whom I was just now proposing to enquire about harmony. For they too are in error in the same way as the astronomers. They investigate the numerical relationships between the harmonies which are heard, but they never get as far as formulating problems - that is to say, they never reach the natural harmonies of number, or reflect why some numbers are harmonious and others not.'
'That,' he said,' would be a fearsome job.'
'Nevertheless, a thing,' I replied, 'which I would rather call useful, that is, if investigated with a view to the beautiful and good. But if pursued in any other spirit, it is useless.'
'Very true,' he said.
Mozda nije vreme da se govori o svemu, imajuci u vidu takve bahate i agresivne naucnike. Ali mislim da takvima vise znanje nije ni dostupno. Nedohvatljivo je za njih.
U samoj hijerarhiji zakona, po mom misljenju moraju da se ispostuju neke stvari. Dakle vreme, brzina, masa, i prostor, moraju da imaju istu definiciju. I zakon, da sto je u malom, to je i u velikom, isto tako mora da se ispostuje. Vreme je promena. Harmonija sama namece svoje zakone, i mi ih ne mozemo zaobici. Ovde ne bih izvodio matematicku formulaciju, zato sto je po sadasnjim matematickim standardima, izuzetno komplikovana. Ali ne sadrzi compromise, i ponudjena resenja, kao u slucajevima Aristotelove fizike, i Russelovog paradoksa, koji je ustvari izvorno Ernst Zermelov. Posto ovaj post pisem na forumu fizike, vama i svim ljudima dobre volje, smatram da je moj rad objavljen u naucnim krugovima . =)
http://www.elitemadzone.org/t39736-121#2585224
Citat: boxxter: Problem je sto ja sasvim drugacije racunam i belezim matematiku. Za mene je geometrijska i matematicka formulacija jedno isto. Ja ne koristim znakove matematickih operacija, nego pozicija broja to odredjuje. I ako posmatramo trodimenzionalno ovaj crtez, mogu za jednu matematicku tvrdnju, da imam vise razlicitih rezultata, kada se gleda iz razlicitih dimenzija. Ja jedan ovaj crtez zovem harmonija xD. Tako da je moguce spajati vise harmonija, sabirati ih i mnoziti. Tako mogu da svedem i izracunam neke matematicke formulacije, koje se racunaju danima, za samo par minuta. Nekom je bzvz i komplikovanije, ali meni je tako lakse :P.
Ovde sam ti dao osnovni, prosti, i malo komplikovaniji oblik. Ali namerno sam stavio pogresno brojeve i forumulacije, da se ne bi neki bednici kitili tudjim perjem i pravili mnogo pametni. Matricu je nemoguce provaliti, da se ne trudite dzabe. Dalje ne treba da ti pricam da formulacija hijerarhije zakona zauzima skoro celu stranu ovde gde pisemo. Izuzetno je kompleksno. I neverovatno. Mislim da bi ipak trebalo da nastavimo razgovor na UltraMad Zone, da nas oni ne isutiraju tamo. Bolje je da odemo sami.
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