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icon By the numbers: Windows vs Linux security21.10.2001. u 18:36 - pre 250 meseci
By the numbers: Windows vs Linux security

In TechRepublic discussions about the virtues of Linux vs. Windows, Linux enthusiasts love to point out that their OS is much more secure. They complain that Windows and its applications are full of bugs and poorly written code and that Windows is more susceptible to viruses.

Of course, administrators who work primarily with Windows take exception to these arguments. They believe that Windows can be secured just as well as any other operating system and that Windows is simply targeted more often because its use is so widespread.

One way to get to the bottom of this dispute is to look at the numbers. In this case, let's examine the statistics on discovered vulnerabilities tracked by Security Focus Bugtraq. One word of warning: These numbers may just surprise you.

Buqtraq vulnerabilities 2001

Table A shows a cumulative list of vulnerabilities discovered so far in 2001.


Buqtraq vulnerabilities 2000
Table B shows the 2000 vulnerabilities listed by the same source.


The bottom line
As these numbers illustrate, Windows NT 4.0 was the leader in bugs identified during 2000. But Linux was not far behind. And in 2001, Windows 2000 has stabilised a bit and is actually running in the middle of the pack. One logistical note: It wouldn't be fair to add those Linux bug numbers together--most are the same bugs across every platform. However, the conclusion here is that there is obviously a comparable number of security problems with the various flavours of Linux, as well as Sun's Solaris, as there are with Windows NT 4.0 and Windows 2000.

Ultimately, with the vast number of individuals and businesses using Microsoft software, any flaws in the Redmond product are magnified because of their sheer impact. All this doesn't mean that I don't like Linux or that I'm a champion of Bill Gates and his Microsoft cronies. But I believe that simply because of its vast market share, Microsoft should be feeling a tremendous responsibility to make certain that its software isn't just profitable. It should also be as secure as it can be made because any problems will have such a huge impact. Unfortunately, the Redmond giant doesn't appear to feel that responsibility.

Microsoft should continue to have its feet held to the fire when a mistake is found. Conversely, Linux bugs will continue to be minor news unless that OS gains a larger share of the world's computers and thus seriously impedes the work of many businesses and consumers.

(Preuzeto sa http://www.zdnet.com.au/newste...y/0,2000024997,20260847,00.htm)
 
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icon Re: By the numbers: Windows vs Linux security21.10.2001. u 19:09 - pre 250 meseci
Ja mislim da dobro podeseni NT i dobro podeseni Linux (kao i BSD) su 'tu-negde' ako je administrator jako dobar. Cenim da je osnovni faktor hakerskih napada ljudska glupost (koja je neogranicena i neunistiva :) - daj ti najsigurniji OS nekom nesposobnom liku pa ces da vidis :)

Kao sto clanak kaze, Microsoft proizvodi su mnogo vise 'mustrani' od strane hakera pa srazmerno tome imaju i veci broj rupa - srecom, vecina rupa u Win2000 sistemu nisu u kernelu vec u nekim pomocnim aplikacijama (outlook, IIS, ...) za neki server posao ne treba ni pomisljati na te dodatne za*ebancije :)


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icon Re: By the numbers: Windows vs Linux security21.10.2001. u 21:00 - pre 250 meseci
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Ivan Dimkovic je napisao:
Ja mislim da dobro podeseni NT i dobro podeseni Linux (kao i BSD) su 'tu-negde' ako je administrator jako dobar. Cenim da je osnovni faktor hakerskih napada ljudska glupost (koja je neogranicena i neunistiva :) - daj ti najsigurniji OS nekom nesposobnom liku pa ces da vidis :)


Nije bas tako. Dosta NT administratora ne zele patchovati svoj sistem, iako znaju da imaju sigurnosne rupe, zato sto ih je veca strah od patcha nego od buga.

Gornja nazovi statistika moze posluziti samo za zabavu, posto iz tih brojeva ne vidimo bas nista i ostavljaju mnogo otvorenih pitanja. Npr.: Da li se kod Mandrake Linuxa zbrajaju bugovi koji se nadju u stotinama paketa koje Mandrake po defaultu instalira?
 
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icon Re: By the numbers: Windows vs Linux security22.10.2001. u 16:31 - pre 250 meseci
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Microsoft should continue to have its feet held to the fire when a mistake is found. Conversely, Linux bugs will continue to be minor news unless that OS gains a larger share of the world's computers and thus seriously impedes the work of many businesses and consumers.



:0 ... ma sve je to lepo ... al nema veze sa zivotom :)) ...
elem ... preferiram RH 7.1 ... koji posle defaultne instalacije dozivi
preporod ... :) ... i postane lepa stabinla makina ... server ...
 
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icon Re: By the numbers: Windows vs Linux security22.10.2001. u 19:53 - pre 250 meseci
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Ivan Dimkovic je napisao:
srecom, vecina rupa u Win2000 sistemu nisu u kernelu vec u nekim pomocnim aplikacijama (outlook, IIS, ...) za neki server posao ne treba ni pomisljati na te dodatne za*ebancije


A kad si ti zadnji put video vest o rupi u linux/bsd kernelu ???
99% rupa na linuxu i ostalim open sors os-evima su ili ftpd (uglavnom wu)
ili sendmail itd itd ....

+

unix like sistemi su dosta pogodniji za obezbedjivanje ...
zbog dosta nacina da i ako neki daemon ima bug da se doticni ne moze iskoristiti (chroot, startanje pod non login userom, itd itd ...)
da ne pominjem da je na open source paketu 1000x lakse naci bug
nego na micro$ophtovom gde ti moras njima da posaljes objasnjenje o bug-u pa onda oni moraju to da probaju pa da nadju gde je rupa pa da zakrpe a ti onda za mesec dana skidas patch !!!

PS: ja gore nigde nisam video slackware , rock linux , neki BSD ... itd itd ...

ne kazem da oni nemaju svojih bugova ali imaju jedno 50% manje nego mandrake cija se nova distribucija sastoji iz najnovijeg kernel-a najnovijih daemon-a i ostalih paketa koji jos nisu ni pristojno iztestirani !!!

A da ne pominjem ovo sto se desavalo u zadnje vreme
red worm itd itd ...
za takav propust treba ubiti !!!
Ljudi za linux dobijaju neku beda kintu pa je os opet 100x bolji nego windoz
a za windoz dobijaju silnu kintu
i opet je ocajan ....

sta vise reci nego "Your favourite OS suks" sto rece neko odavde ....
 
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icon Re: By the numbers: Windows vs Linux security22.10.2001. u 22:27 - pre 250 meseci
Pa i nisam rekao da BSD/Linux imaju gomilu rupa u kernelu - kao sto si rekao vecina 'rupa' su u pomocnim aplikacijama, tako i kod NT-a.

Ja bih ostavio po strani prizemne diskusije tipa 'nesto sux' i 'nesto rulez' posto one nemaju veze sa zivotom. Moja poenta je bila da je sigurnost proporcionalna znanju administratora i da je vecina pomenutih OS-eva odavno prelezala decije bolesti.

A da ljudi dobijaju 'beda kintu' za razvoj linuxa... pa ne znam bas :) Linus mi ne deluje kao siromasan tip :)


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icon Re: By the numbers: Windows vs Linux security24.10.2001. u 00:02 - pre 250 meseci
khm
pa i nije bas da je linus i nesto pretrpan kintom
mislim i ti si u inozemstvu kolko vidim
tamo ne moras da budes linus da bi ziveo strava
tamo i bravari zive super (kredit+chuda itd itd)
A da ne pominjem kako programeri zive ...
PS: kolko ja znam linus ne zivi bas od linux-a
vec radi u transmeti .... i kaze mi kolega da jedna njegova prijateljica (bavi se elektronikom) radi sa njim na
procesoru koji ce imati u sebi linux kernel il tako neko chudo .... tipa vrhunac embeded linuxa ...
Mislim tu mozda i jeste on u prednosti jer je smislio to chudo al ono on je samo zaposlen i mogu da ga sutnu ako oce (uz primernu nadonknadu naravno :P ) i jednostavno uzmu linux source i nastave dalje sami !!!!

PS: necemo porediti npr Billy-boy-a i ljinusa !!!

PPS: firme koje prave svoje distroe zive od usluznih delatnosti tipa administriranje .... diplome .... itd ....
Dok M$ zivi od cistog prodavanja proizvoda !!!
 
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