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icon Europe opens antitrust investigation into Android15.04.2015. u 11:25 - pre 49 meseci
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The European Commission has been examining Google’s Android operating system for nearly three years, and it is now ready to launch a formal investigation into claims of unfair app bundling. Google services and apps like Maps, Chrome, and YouTube are often bundled with Android devices, and competitors have complained that it’s giving Google an unfair advantage. Regulators previously questioned telecom companies and phone manufacturers, to see whether Google forces them to bundle apps or services at the expense of competitors.

"The investigation will focus on whether Google has entered into anti-competitive agreements or abused a possible dominant position in the field of operating systems, applications and services for smart mobile devices," says the Commission. The European Commission will focus on three key areas for its investigation. The first is whether Google has hindered the development and market access of rival apps and services by requiring or incentivising smartphone and tablet makers to exclusively pre-install Google’s own apps and services. The Commission will also investigate whether Google has prevented smartphone and tablet makers from creating modified versions of Android that run Google’s apps and services. A final key area will focus on whether Google is tying or bundling its apps and services on Android devices with other Google apps, services, or APIs.


http://www.theverge.com/2015/4...ndroid-antitrust-investigation

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icon Re: Europe opens antitrust investigation into Android15.04.2015. u 11:37 - pre 49 meseci
EU komesari Google-u: Nice mobile OS you got here. Shame if something happens to it [BAM...]...

Kako Google ima vecinski deo trzista, mislim da ce im biti jako tesko da izbegnu placanje reketa drugovima i drugaricama iz EU komesarijata. Vreme je da kupe vazelin i spreme krupne novcanice :-)

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icon Re: Europe opens antitrust investigation into Android16.04.2015. u 05:07 - pre 49 meseci
Kako Google forsira nesto kada je OS otvoren i firme koje ga koriste odlucuju sta ce ici? Kao sto u Kini nikada ne ide ;)

A za YouTube bas postoje alternative da je nefer sto dolazi uz OS :D Jos i PlayStore da ne smeju da stave, jer jel' te AppStore je competition :)
 
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icon Re: Europe opens antitrust investigation into Android16.04.2015. u 07:53 - pre 49 meseci
Pa i jeste vreme da neko pocne da stavlja Google pod kontrolu.
Malo su se previse razmahali. Ne samo da ucenjuju korsinike nego i cele drzave.
 
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icon Re: Europe opens antitrust investigation into Android16.04.2015. u 09:34 - pre 49 meseci
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Dexic: Kako Google forsira nesto kada je OS otvoren i firme koje ga koriste odlucuju sta ce ici? Kao sto u Kini nikada ne ide ;)

Android jeste otvoren (možeš da napraviš fork), ali nije slobodan.

Guglovi programi i usluge dolaze isključivo u paketu - sve ili ništa.
Nije bitno koji su zaključci izvučeni, već kako se do njih došlo.
 
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icon Re: Europe opens antitrust investigation into Android16.04.2015. u 11:14 - pre 49 meseci
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Dexic:
Kako Google forsira nesto kada je OS otvoren i firme koje ga koriste odlucuju sta ce ici? Kao sto u Kini nikada ne ide ;)

A za YouTube bas postoje alternative da je nefer sto dolazi uz OS :D Jos i PlayStore da ne smeju da stave, jer jel' te AppStore je competition :)


Mislim da nisi procitao o cemu se radi.

Nije u pitanju Android kao otvoreni OS niti stavljanje bilo cega u njega. Predmet istrage su Google-ovi ugovori koji su obaveza ako kupac zeli pristup Google aplikacijama i Google Play platformi, tj. sadrzaj tih ugovora.

Suska se da su ti ugovori prilicno restriktivni i dolaze sa raznim zabranama. To samo po sebi ne bi bio nikakav problem da zahtevajuca strana u ugovoru nema dominantnu trzisnu poziciju.

Medjutim, imanje dominantne pozicije na trzistu i restriktivna praksa u ugovorima te kvalifikuju za ovakve istrage, jbg - cena slave.

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http://europa.eu/rapid/press-release_MEMO-15-4782_en.htm

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Android is an open-source mobile operating system, meaning that it can be freely used and developed by anyone. The majority of smartphone and tablet manufacturers, however, use the Android operating system in combination with a range of Google's proprietary applications and services. In order to obtain the right to install these applications and services on their Android devices,manufacturers need to enter into certain agreements with Google.


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- whether Google has illegally hindered the development and market access of rival mobile applications or services by requiring or incentivising smartphone and tablet manufacturers to exclusively pre-install Google’s own applications or services;

- whether Google has prevented smartphone and tablet manufacturers who wish to install Google's applications and services on some of their Android devices from developing and marketing modified and potentially competing versions of Android (so-called “Android forks”) on other devices, thereby illegally hindering the development and market access of rival mobile operating systems and mobile applications or services;

- whether Google has illegally hindered the development and market access of rival applications and services by tying or bundling certain Google applications and services distributed on Android devices with other Google applications, services and/or application programming interfaces of Google.


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Procedural background

Article 101 of the Treaty on the Functioning of the European Union (TFEU) prohibits anticompetitive agreements and decisions of associations of undertakings.


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icon Re: Europe opens antitrust investigation into Android16.04.2015. u 11:19 - pre 49 meseci
Pa to onda nije antitrust case against Android vec protiv Google-a i nekih aplikacija Google-a.
 
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icon Re: Europe opens antitrust investigation into Android16.04.2015. u 11:23 - pre 49 meseci
Tacno, to je propust novinara.

Mislim, istraga je uvek vezana za fizicka ili pravna lica. Hrpa Java i C koda ne moze da odgovara pred sudom :)
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icon Re: Europe opens antitrust investigation into Android16.04.2015. u 11:55 - pre 49 meseci
Nije samo Android predmet spora, već i pretraga.


Google vs. EU: A $6 billion antitrust fine if Google loses

The European Union hit Google with antitrust charges on Wednesday that allege the company abuses its dominance in Internet searches.

The more confrontational route could mean years of legal wrangling — as well as fines worth billions. The EU can impose fines of 10 percent on annual revenue, or some $6 billion, and force the Mountain View, California, company to overhaul its system for recommending websites in Europe.

http://www.csmonitor.com/Busin...antitrust-fine-if-Google-loses
 
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icon Re: Europe opens antitrust investigation into Android16.04.2015. u 13:17 - pre 49 meseci
U pitanju su razlicite istrage doduse.

IMHO, Google ima slabe sanse da izbegne desetocifreni reket :-)
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icon Re: Europe opens antitrust investigation into Android16.04.2015. u 14:24 - pre 49 meseci
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bigvlada: Google vs. EU: A $6 billion antitrust fine if Google loses

Ček, ček, a ko odlučuje o tome ko će da pobedi, a ko da izgubi?
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icon Re: Europe opens antitrust investigation into Android16.04.2015. u 14:59 - pre 49 meseci
Pa... EU? :-)

http://ec.europa.eu/competition/antitrust/cases/

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icon Re: Europe opens antitrust investigation into Android16.04.2015. u 15:31 - pre 49 meseci
Pa, to ti kažem.

Uostalom, vidiš šta se dešava sa Rusijom, a gasprom i rosneft je teže odrapiti jer su dalje. Osim toga, EU ima šestocifren broj članova zakona. Sve to mora neko da isfinansira.
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icon Re: Europe opens antitrust investigation into Android16.04.2015. u 15:36 - pre 49 meseci
To što je gugl američki nema veze, jer se pare ne uzimaju iz budžeta SAD, nego od izvesnog deoničarskog društva, a ako zbog manjeg profita SAD uberu manji porez, ne vidim problem da i oni napišu odgovarajući papir na račun pomenutog deoničarskog društva.
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icon Re: Europe opens antitrust investigation into Android16.04.2015. u 15:53 - pre 49 meseci
Ne razumem na sta tacno ciljas, u bilo kojoj zemlji na ovom svetu mozes biti meta njihovih sudova za ne-trizsno ponasanje.

U USA ce ti suditi USA, u Koreji ce ti suditi Koreja u Japanu Japan, Albaniji Albanija... ista prica i u EU, nece sigurno da angazuju turski sud.

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icon Re: Europe opens antitrust investigation into Android16.04.2015. u 18:36 - pre 49 meseci
Ciljam upravo na to. Što bi anrod rekao, šut s rogatim ne može. Ako je homopolitikusima zafalilo za šmrkanje, neko će to morati da isfinansira.
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icon Re: Europe opens antitrust investigation into Android16.04.2015. u 19:43 - pre 49 meseci
Možda će Gogle i njima da kaže, da ako oni budu morali to da plate, da će onda EU morati da koridti Ask.com :)

 
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icon Re: Europe opens antitrust investigation into Android16.04.2015. u 20:54 - pre 49 meseci
Tim bolje.
 
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icon Re: Europe opens antitrust investigation into Android16.04.2015. u 22:29 - pre 49 meseci
Bice da su te istrage i tuzbe osveta za neplacanje poreza
 
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icon Re: Europe opens antitrust investigation into Android17.04.2015. u 09:20 - pre 48 meseci
Sumnjam da tu ima nekakve osvete - poreski zakoni su ovakvi kakvi jesu upravo zato sto politikosima radi posao da budu takvi (dobro je za biznis njihovih sponzora).

To kad neki politikos izadje na TV sa zalopojkom kako velike firme izbegavaju porez i kako treba da ih bude sram i stid, to su krokodilske suze posto firme ne rade nista nelegalno vec samo postuju zakone koje su ti politikosi napravili i u njih ubacili rupe na lepu molbu njihovih donatora.

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Ako je homopolitikusima zafalilo za šmrkanje, neko će to morati da isfinansira.


Nevezano za kintu za nosni Ajax, meni se cini da ovde ipak ima i neke vatre.

Google je vec bio na klizavom terenu oko rucne modifikacije rezultata pretrage koji su derankirali konkurente. Tako nesto mozes da radis bez brige kada si regularan igrac na trzistu koji drzi samo parce tog trzista.

Ali kada postanes apsolutno dominantan do te mere da ti direktno oblikujes to trziste onda ces pasti pod lupu zakona zato sto postoji sansa da tvoje takve akcije nanesu stetu celom trzistu i kupcima.

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