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icon Re: Larry Ellison – Oracle Linux29.10.2006. u 10:17 - pre 212 meseci
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Ivan Dimkovic: Hehe ma nije problem sto su oni nekog zaposlili - nego je smesno malo sto na planeti GNU oni koji pisu kod, najgore prolaze ;-)

A oni koji "pruzaju podrsku" su glavni :)


Bilo kako bilo programeri uvek najgore prolaze :) , u korporativnom svetu , programeri su mali crnci, a menadzeri su ti koji pokupe glavni kajmak :).

Kako god gledao programeri uvek najgore prolaze :)
 
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icon Re: Larry Ellison – Oracle Linux29.10.2006. u 10:21 - pre 212 meseci
Mislim da ce se ovaj potez Oracle-a odraziti lose na volju komercijalnih entiteta da ulazu u otvorene Linux Tehnologije.

Gledajte hipoteticki scenario - Firma A (RedHat) ulaze svoj novac u plate programera koji rade na odrzavanju Linux jezgra, prave patcheve, bugfixeve, razvijaju nove drajvere, itd... - ceo taj kod je GPL, i od tog koda profitira cela zajednica.

Firma B (Oracle) odluci da dampuje support, i da isece profit RedHatu od enterprise customera koji bi ranije morali da kupe support plan od RHAT-a + Oracle - Akcije Red Hata padaju, ta firma znacajno gubi profit - i to tako sto njen konkurent koristi tehnologiju koju su oni (Red Hat) razvili

E, sad dolazi najjaci deo - Red Hat akcije padaju ispod kriticnog nivoa, i Oracle preuzima programere iz Red Hata - super?

Pa jeste - super za Oracle, super za programere - ali nije super za investitore Red Hata. Verujem da ce investitori budno pratiti razvoje dogadjaja na Linux sceni, i ako ovakve stvari postanu pravilo - bojim se da ce ulaganje u GPL tehnolije biti sinonim za bacene pare.

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Bilo kako bilo programeri uvek najgore prolaze :) , u korporativnom svetu , programeri su mali crnci, a menadzeri su ti koji pokupe glavni kajmak :).

Kako god gledao programeri uvek najgore prolaze :)


Dobri programeri su placeni sasvim uporedivo sa dobrim mid-level menadzerima - e, sad - ako nisi dobar programer, ne vidim koja su ti opravdanja da se bunis. A da rade i jedni i drugi - rade.
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icon Re: Larry Ellison – Oracle Linux29.10.2006. u 11:46 - pre 212 meseci
Ja se slažem da ni menadžeri nisu u boljem položaju od programera.
 
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icon Re: Larry Ellison – Oracle Linux29.10.2006. u 13:00 - pre 212 meseci
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Marko_R: A što pričate o Red Hat kad je tamo pominjan Ubuntu?
Evo sto:
"Oct. 25, 2006

No one saw this coming. People talked about Oracle making its own Linux, or buying a Linux company (Ubuntu?). But, the news that Oracle is erasing Red Hat's trademarks from Unbreakable Linux and supporting it for less than Red Hat is a bolt from the blue."
Jeste se pricalo o Ubuntu, hipoteticki, ali je na kraju konkretna zrtva bas Red Hat.

Ja ovo ipak ne shvatam. Zasto su se uhvatili za JEDNU Linux distribuciju, kao da Oracle moze da radi samo na toj jednoj? Mozda je RH najdalje otisao sa osvajanjem trzista, pa su u Oracle odlucili da do zarade krenu precicom? A sta ako ovaj potez unisti RH ali pokaze da Linux vise vredi nego sto se priznaje pa neko drugi kupi jeftini RH, recimo Mark Satlvort ili Novel ili Pera Peric iz Malog Mokrog Luga ? Pa onda Oracle mora da kupuje naokolo neke developere koji nisu radili u RH. Sumnjam da ce bas svi iz RH pohrliti u Oracle kad RH propadne.
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icon Re: Larry Ellison – Oracle Linux29.10.2006. u 17:16 - pre 212 meseci
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icon Re: Larry Ellison – Oracle Linux29.10.2006. u 20:18 - pre 212 meseci
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Ja ovo ipak ne shvatam. Zasto su se uhvatili za JEDNU Linux distribuciju, kao da Oracle moze da radi samo na toj jednoj? Mozda je RH najdalje otisao sa osvajanjem trzista, pa su u Oracle odlucili da do zarade krenu precicom?

Pa gde je RH, tu su pare :D

Verovatno računaju na tržište koje je osvojio Red Hat, jer Ubuntu je više prijemčiv za kućne korisnike, a korisnici Debian nisu baš voljni da plaćaju.
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A sta ako ovaj potez unisti RH ali pokaze da Linux vise vredi nego sto se priznaje pa neko drugi kupi jeftini RH, recimo Mark Satlvort ili Novel ili Pera Peric iz Malog Mokrog Luga :-) ? Pa onda Oracle mora da kupuje naokolo neke developere koji nisu radili u RH. Sumnjam da ce bas svi iz RH pohrliti u Oracle kad RH propadne.

Taj ko ga kupi opet ne bi mogao da opstane uz konkuranciju od Oracle, a prirodno je da oni koji su radili Red Hat nastave da rade za Oracle koji praktično nastavlja isti sistem.

Ali pitanje je da li će Red Hat propasti, jer mnoge firme koriste drugu bazu. To zavisi od toga koliko sada procenata profita odlazi na dividendu, a sumnjam da je on mali. Možda se desi samo da se smanji vrednost akcija, ali da firma opstane.
 
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icon Re: Larry Ellison – Oracle Linux29.10.2006. u 20:45 - pre 212 meseci
http://distrowatch.com/table.php?distribution=oracle

Sve isti paketi kao kod http://distrowatch.com/table.php?distribution=redhat
 
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icon Re: Larry Ellison – Oracle Linux30.10.2006. u 09:58 - pre 212 meseci
Pa oni ga i zovu vise kao program za podrsku: "Although Oracle Unbreakable Linux is touted as a "support programme", rather than a distribution," ne bas nova distribucija. Ima ljudi koji se drze poznate marke, iz racionalnih i iracionalnih razlgoa, ali ima i onih koji sve gledaju kroz novac, pa ce se tek kroz neko vreme videti rezultat ovog dogadjaja. Ima i korisnika koji koriste jos nesto osim Oracle, njima ce opet biti bolji univerzalni RH od strogo specijalizovanog Oracle Linuxa. Sve ima svoju cenu. Nadam se da necu biti dosadan, ali evo autor sajta Distrowatch je ove moje skromne ideje vrlo lepo elaborirao:

"Unfortunately, as much as your DistroWatch maintainer would love to welcome the big database company in the community of Linux solution providers, the manner in which Oracle entered the market leaves a distinctly sour taste in the mouth. The company, although reasonably open source friendly in the sense that some of its major products are compatible with Linux, has done very little to advance the Linux cause over the years. Its latest move to re-brand Red Hat's distribution and provide support for the "new" product brings zero innovation to the Linux market; in fact, it only serves to generate revenue for Oracle and, as some analysts believe, to potentially destroy Red Hat, Inc.

Contrast that to Red Hat and its contribution to the Linux community. While the New Carolina company is a business which has to answer to its stakeholders and which is strongly motivated by corporate profits, it has succeeded in generating revenue without sacrificing the spirit of open source software development. For over a decade Red Hat has been giving away its Red Hat Linux and Fedora Core distributions (complete with security updates during the lifetime of the products), it has been developing or helping with the development of many essential open source software components (e.g. Autoconf, glibc, LVM, etc.), and it has been employing some of the brightest open source software developers the world has seen. Whatever your experiences with Red Hat as a company, you have to admit that it has contributed an enormous amount of work to the pool of Free Software which we all share, irrespective of whether or not we use one of its end products.

Oracle, on the other hand, has brought very little to the world of Linux so far. Besides much negative sentiment which the database giant generated in the Linux community last week, the technical aspects of Oracle Unbreakable Linux are not particularly attractive either. Promising unspecified bug fixes on its web site is one thing, but showing a changelog with a list of bugs fixed by the company's engineers -- which has yet to materialise anywhere -- is an entirely different matter. Also, despite claims to the contrary, Oracle Unbreakable Linux is not a complete recompile of Red Hat's source packages and some software, notably Thunderbird, are missing from the distribution. Furthermore, what Oracle claims to be "Update 4", does not correspond to Red Hat's "Update 4"; as an example, Oracle's product contains older versions of the Linux kernel, Firefox, LVM, and many other packages. It also provides Ethereal, a package which is no longer maintained and which Red Hat had already replaced with Wireshark. Worse, no updates were reportedly available for any of these packages, despite that fact that some of them have known security issues! Unbreakable? Hardly!

Granted, these are still early days, so let's hope that Oracle will fix their product and find a way to contribute back to the Linux community. But for now, customers who need comprehensive support contracts for their Linux deployments should definitely choose Red Hat Enterprise Linux - even if it's more expensive that Oracle's support programme. As they say, you get what you pay for."

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