Da li je sigurniji Windows ili Linux Server?

Ne znam.. ako uzmeš bilo koju firmu, koliko je cena softvera koji se koristi u poređenju sa ostalim (npr. samo za plate ljudi plus što firma plaća još za razne fondove i slično)? Ne vidim da je npr. Win veliki izdatak u tom slučaju, a brat bratu, komotno jednom kad se pređe na NT-like Windows, baš i ne moraš da apgrejduješ na svaku novu verziju. Ovde je masa firmi na Win 2000 Pro i verovatno će tako i ostati još dugo.

Doduše, tamo gde su plate jako male, stvari jesu drugačije, slažem se.

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Brate, posle fiskalizacije (i svega pre) pa pdv-a i ako imas za plate cutis i nadas se da ces akumulirati sredstva da pregrmis leto i dozivis sledecu godinu.

Tako da, za sada uglavnom nece biti menjanja osnovnih sredstava.

Ovo sto se sada desava u SCG sa igraonicama,pa ako se desi i sa firmama, IT sektor ce biti zreo za prelazak na linux OR FreeBSD...

Cisto sumnjam da ce svaka firma moci sve programe ili da legalizuje, ili da adekvatno placa kadar. Neke ce moci, a neke ce da rade mesana resenja. Recimo server umesto na Win-u na, Lindzi, OpenOffice umesto MS Office, itd.


P.S. Ali, ok, ovo nije tema... Pricacemo i o ovome, ako inspekcije krenu i na firme.

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Ma preči će igraonice na linux...čim igrice budu prešle na linux :>

A, je li?

Odlicno, evo skokni na npr. http://www.trafficzap.com/serverinfo.php
i ukucaj npr: http://www.man.de/
pa ces da dobijes: Site Tested: www.man.de
Filename: None
HTTP Status: HTTP/1.1 200 OK
Response: Response OK.
Web Server: Apache/2
Full Headers: HTTP/1.1 200 OK
Date: Sun, 17 Jul 2005 15:43:57 GMT
Server: Apache/2
X-Powered-By: PHP/4.3.9-2
Set-Cookie: fe_typo_user=f832ca71a1; path=/
Connection: close
Content-Type: text/html

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Site Tested: www.firstambank.com
Filename: None
HTTP Status: HTTP/1.1 200 OK
Response: Response OK.
Web Server: Apache
Full Headers: HTTP/1.1 200 OK
Date: Sun, 17 Jul 2005 07:13:49 GMT
Server: Apache
X-Powered-By: PHP/4.3.2
Set-Cookie: fe_typo_user=aa83079e18; path=/
Connection: close
Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1

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Site Tested: www.amazon.com
Filename: /index.htm
HTTP Status: HTTP/1.1 302
Response: Redirected - Found.
Web Server: Apache
Full Headers: HTTP/1.1 302
Date: Sun, 17 Jul 2005 15:53:41 GMT
Server: Apache
Set-Cookie: session-id-time=1122192000; path=/; domain=.amazon.com; expires=Sunday, 24-Jul-2005 08:00:00 GMT
Set-Cookie: session-id=002-3753555-1003229; path=/; domain=.amazon.com; expires=Sunday, 24-Jul-2005 08:00:00 GMT
Location: http://www.amazon.com/exec/obi...c/404.html/002-3753555-1003229
Vary: Accept-Encoding,User-Agent
Connection: close
Content-Type: text/html

Finished in 0.253 seconds

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http://toolbar.netcraft.com/site_report?url=http://google.com
Google Inc 216.239.39.99 Linux GWS/2.1 1-Jun-2005
Google Inc 216.239.57.99 unknown GWS/2.1 31-May-2005
Google Inc 216.239.37.99 Linux GWS/2.1 29-Mar-2005
Google Inc 216.239.57.99 unknown GWS/2.1 27-Mar-2005
Google Inc 216.239.57.99 Linux GWS/2.1 26-Mar-2005
Google Inc 216.239.39.99 unknown GWS/2.1 24-Mar-2005
Google Inc 216.239.39.99 unknown GWS/2.1 23-Mar-2005
Google Inc 216.239.57.99 Linux GWS/2.1 22-Mar-2005
Google Inc 216.239.57.99 unknown GWS/2.1 20-Mar-2005
Google Inc 216.239.37.99 Linux GFE/1.3 19-Mar-2005

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http://toolbar.netcraft.com/site_report?url=paypal.com
Netblock Owner IP address OS Web Server Last changed
eBay, Inc 2145 Hamilton Ave San Jose CA US 95008 216.113.188.64 Linux Apache/1.3.27 Unix mod_ssl/2.8.12 OpenSSL/0.9.7a 11-Jul-2005
PayPal 303 Bryant Street Mountain View CA US 94041 64.4.241.16 Linux Apache/1.3.27 Unix mod_ssl/2.8.12 OpenSSL/0.9.7a 9-Jul-2005
eBay, Inc 2145 Hamilton Ave San Jose CA US 95008 216.113.188.34 Linux Apache/1.3.27 Unix mod_ssl/2.8.12 OpenSSL/0.9.7a 7-Jul-2005
PayPal 303 Bryant Street Mountain View CA US 94041 64.4.241.16 Linux Apache/1.3.27 Unix mod_ssl/2.8.12 OpenSSL/0.9.7a 5-Jul-2005
eBay, Inc 2145 Hamilton Ave San Jose CA US 95008 216.113.188.64 Linux Apache/1.3.27 Unix mod_ssl/2.8.12 OpenSSL/0.9.7a 26-Apr-2005
eBay, Inc 2145 Hamilton Ave San Jose CA US 95008 216.113.188.64 unknown Apache/1.3.27 Unix mod_ssl/2.8.12 OpenSSL/0.9.7a 25-Apr-2005
eBay, Inc 2145 Hamilton Ave San Jose CA US 95008 216.113.188.34 Linux Apache/1.3.27 Unix mod_ssl/2.8.12 OpenSSL/0.9.7a 5-Mar-2005
eBay, Inc 2145 Hamilton Ave San Jose CA US 95008 216.113.188.64 Linux Apache/1.3.27 Unix mod_ssl/2.8.12 OpenSSL/0.9.7a 3-Mar-2005
eBay, Inc 2145 Hamilton Ave San Jose CA US 95008 216.113.188.32 Linux Apache/1.3.27 Unix mod_ssl/2.8.12 OpenSSL/0.9.7a 26-Jan-2005
PayPal 303 Bryant Street Mountain View CA US 94041 64.4.241.16 Linux Apache/1.3.27 Unix mod_ssl/2.8.12 OpenSSL/0.9.7a 24-Jan-2005

Hostway

mislim,
sve sama neka nepoznata sirotinja, je li? ono kao nemaju para za IIS, pa daj, ono, kao sad cemo mi Linux da vrtimo umesto Windows...

ustalom, potrazi malo i sam
http://news.netcraft.com/

i da ne zaboravim, i NASA se vrti na Apache - Linux i UNIX:

Site Tested: webserv.gsfc.nasa.gov
Filename: None
HTTP Status: HTTP/1.1 200 OK
Response: Response OK.
Web Server: Apache/1.3.26 (Unix) Debian GNU/Linux PHP/4.1.2 mod_ssl/2.8.9 OpenSSL/0.9.6c mod_perl/1.26
Full Headers: HTTP/1.1 200 OK
Date: Sun, 17 Jul 2005 16:11:23 GMT
Server: Apache/1.3.26 (Unix) Debian GNU/Linux PHP/4.1.2 mod_ssl/2.8.9 OpenSSL/0.9.6c mod_perl/1.26
Connection: close
Content-Type: text/html

Finished in 0.177 seconds

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Site Tested: www.nasa.gov
Filename: /externalflash/rtf_front/index.html
HTTP Status: HTTP/1.0 200 OK
Response: Response OK.
Web Server: Apache/2.0.45 (Unix) mod_perl/1.99_09-dev Perl/v5.6.1 covalent_auth/2.3 DAV/2 CovalentSSL/2.3.3 RSA/SSLC mod_jk/1.2.2-beta-1
Full Headers: HTTP/1.0 200 OK
Connection: close
Date: Sun, 17 Jul 2005 16:14:24 GMT
Age: 151904
Server: Apache/2.0.45 (Unix) mod_perl/1.99_09-dev Perl/v5.6.1 covalent_auth/2.3 DAV/2 CovalentSSL/2.3.3 RSA/SSLC mod_jk/1.2.2-beta-1
Accept-Ranges: bytes
Content-Length: 4500
Content-Type: text/html; charset=.utf8

Finished in 0.021 seconds

XTeam, Apache je nesumnjivo dobar Web Server - pa samim tim i jeste jedan od kandidata koji se uvek razmatraju za taj posao.

Bilo bi interesantnije videti koji se sistemi u tim firmama koriste za unutrasnju IT infrastrukturu, bas me zanima da li je to neki NT+MS SQL ili recimo Solaris + Oracle... ili Linux + MySQL ;-)

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Ne mogu da odolim, moram da dopišem još i ovo:

http://toolbar.netcraft.com/site_report?url=http://www.search.msn.com

Site http://www.search.msn.com Last reboot 3 days ago
Domain msn.com Netblock owner Akamai Technologies
IP address 84.53.143.16 Site rank 140337
Country US Nameserver dns.cp.msft.net
Date first seen April 2000 DNS admin [email protected]
Domain Registry opensrs.net Reverse DNS unknown
Organisation Microsoft Corporation, One Microsoft Way, Redmond, 98052, United States Nameserver Organisation Microsoft Corporation, One Microsoft Way, Redmond, 98052, United States

Akamai Servers in Telecom Italia International Backbone Paris and London POPs 195.22.198.151 Linux unknown 9-Jul-2005
Akamai Technologies 84.53.143.152 Linux unknown 27-Jun-2005
UK-COLT-20000602,213.86.0.0,213.86.255.255 213.86.55.146 Linux unknown 18-Jun-2005
Akamai 193.108.153.109 Linux unknown 21-May-2005
Akamai 193.108.153.117 Linux unknown 20-May-2005
Akamai 193.45.1.112 Linux unknown 18-May-2005
Akamai 193.108.153.117 Linux unknown 15-May-2005
Akamai 62.4.69.34 Linux unknown 14-May-2005
Akamai 193.45.1.73 Linux unknown 13-May-2005
Akamai 193.45.1.112 Linux unknown 12-May-2005

Sta je tu cudno, pa akadns servis je baziran na nekom modifikovanom Linuxu ?

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Nije čudno ništa, nego pogledaj malo ranije da vidiš koju izjavu Degojs-a sam citirao...

I ima još:
http://news.netcraft.com/archi...ne_2005_web_server_survey.html

Ne ulazim u Intranet, pitanje je bilo u vezi webservera i pripadajuceg OS-a, to je naslov teme

Inace, znam da se za intranet resenja pored SharedPoint koristi puno i Typo3 i Metadot, ali to je druga tema i druga prica

..ali da budem "pravedan" medju onima koji imaju para Solaris dominira:

http://news.netcraft.com/archi..._choice_among_fortune_100.html

mada, eto, cak i AMD koristi:
http://toolbar.netcraft.com/site_report?url=http://www.amd.com

Site http://www.amd.com Last reboot 178 days ago
Domain amd.com Netblock owner Savvis
IP address 216.219.72.135 Site rank 871
Country US Nameserver cal3d.amd.com
Date first seen August 1995 DNS admin [email protected]
Domain Registry unknown Reverse DNS unknown
Organisation Advanced Micro Devices, Inc., 5204 E. Ben White Blvd, M/S 557 Austin, 78741, United States Nameserver Organisation Advanced Micro Devices, Inc., 5204 E. Ben White Blvd, M/S 557 Austin, 78741, United States
Check another site:

Hosting History
Netblock Owner
IP address
OS
Web Server
Last changed
Savvis 3300 Regency Parkway Cary NC US 27511 216.219.72.134 Linux Apache/ SSL/AMD Unix 15-Jul-2005
Speedera Networks 4800 Great America Parkway 95054 Santa Clara, CA 213.61.6.8 unknown Apache/ SSL/AMD Unix 14-Jul-2005
Speedera Content Delivery Services 80.15.238.100 Linux Apache/ SSL/AMD Unix 13-Jul-2005
Savvis 3300 Regency Parkway Cary NC US 27511 216.219.72.135 Linux Apache/ SSL/AMD Unix 12-Jul-2005
Speedera Content Delivery Services 80.15.238.100 Linux Apache/ SSL/AMD Unix 10-Jul-2005
Savvis 3300 Regency Parkway Cary NC US 27511 216.219.72.135 Linux Apache/ SSL/AMD Unix 8-Jul-2005
Level 3 Communications International 212.72.49.69 Linux Apache/ SSL/AMD Unix 7-Jul-2005
Speedera Content Delivery Services 80.15.238.100 Linux Apache/ SSL/AMD Unix 6-Jul-2005
Level 3 Communications International 212.72.49.69 Linux Apache/ SSL/AMD Unix 5-Jul-2005
Speedera Content Delivery Services 80.15.238.100 Linux Apache/ SSL/AMD Unix 4-Jul-2005




Tako da ono sto sam hteo da kazem je da je situacija sa Linux-om i Apache daleko od "u biznisu trc, trc pa naletis na nekoga ko koristi Linux server"...

Toliko od mene, ajd' u zdravlje, treba da radim...

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www.winstart.us
www.webbhotell.bz
www.bill.bz
www.optimize.se

U pravu si, tesko da bih za nesto drugo i koristio taj sistem ;-)

Sto se tice glavne tematike, definitivno linux (za web server).

_{[Ovu poruku je menjao silber dana 17.07.2005. u 19:54 GMT+1]}

Nitko od ovih zealota nije odgovorio na pitanje iz teme i dao objašnjenje.

Da nije možda linux-bazirani server sigurniji?

A zašto?

Ti izvoli, procitaj dinketove postove.

@XTeam: o upotrebi servera u firmama davno smo raspravljali. IIS je tu daleko najzastupljeniji, a ako želiš i statistike, mogu ih ponovo potražiti.

http://www.port80software.com/surveys/top1000webservers/

Uživaj.

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A šta, web serveri se ne koriste na intranetu?

Daj bre.. ne blamirajte se.

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@Degojs
Ne raspravljmo o Intranetu.

A taj link koji si dao ima samo jednu jedinu manu.

Dole na dnu ima logo "Microsoft Certified Partner"

Uzivaj i ti...

I baci pogled na linkove koje sam ja dao...

Pa šta onda što ima MSCP?

Opet ista priča kao sa dinketom...

Oni su dali spisak Fortune 1000 kompanija. Ti ako ne znaš šta je to, pitaj dinketa.

_{[Ovu poruku je menjao degojs dana 17.07.2005. u 20:26 GMT+1]}

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Da i ne, ali ako firma ima 100 radnih stanica koje su pod windows-om, onda ce koristiti i IIS. A mozda i nece zavisi sta dele i kao hoce da dele u tom intranetu, i koliko ima korisnika na kraju krajeva. (ima ih dosta koji korsite SybaseAdaptiveServerAnywhere za intranet, pa ti vidi da li to ima kakve veze za Webserver-om ?)

Osim toga, zahtevi koji se postavljju pred npr. SharedPoint ili Typo3 ili Lotus notes su malo drugaciji od zahteva koje treba da ispunjava Apache ili IIS

Što naravno nije tačno. Da ovih dana nemam brigu oko nečeg gde se koristi Windows na klijentima, a TomCat na Windows serveru, još bih ti i poverovao.

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