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icon Borland trazi kupca za IDE !? Ne mogu da verujem ...08.02.2006. u 15:29 - pre 221 meseci
Ima nešto ovde:

http://www.borland.com/us/comp...d_acquires_segue_software.html

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To our loyal developer community:



Today, Wednesday February 8, 2006 at 1am Pacific Time, Borland announced
plans to seek a buyer for our IDE product lines that include Delphi,
C++Builder, C#Builder, JBuilder (and Peloton), InterBase, JDataStore,
nDataStore, Kylix, and our older Borland and Turbo language products and
tools. The goal is to create a standalone business focused on advancing
individual developer productivity using the people inside Borland who are
focused on the success of these award winning products.



It is not a trivial decision to separate our IDE business from our ALM
business. As we look back over the past two years and how we have operated
as a company, we have continually had to weigh every dollar investment in
our ALM and developer products. All too often we have chosen to invest in
ALM, because of our stated direction around ALM growth and market
opportunity. But we all know that our loyal customer base demands more.
There is tremendous potential that has been untapped due to the company's
focus towards an enterprise go-to-market model, with an emphasis on a more
consultative, lifecycle sale forcing us to invest more into our ALM
products, ALM marketing, and our enterprise field model. This is a very
different model from our mostly channel-focused, direct-to-developer
marketing, and delivery model (using shrink wrapped boxes and e-shop
downloads).



Focus is a key success factor in business. With this announcement, both
companies will have the focus they need to thrive and help our customers be
successful. I think it's great that Borland is letting us be part of a new
focused company that brings together the team that is passionate about
developers and development. We want to continue to create the best
solutions and technology for the benefit of you, our community of
developers. We are developers working on developer products for our
customers who are developers. This is a special relationship that is unique
in software. We get to work on products that we use ourselves and that our
developer community love.



I started using Turbo Pascal v1.0 in November of 1983 when Philippe Kahn
gave me a copy at Comdex Las Vegas. I put it in my IBM PC and knew
immediately that this was something different. From that day, I knew I
wanted to go to work for Borland. I started working at Borland on June 17,
1985 and for the past 20+ years I have had the pleasure of being a part of a
great company and a great community of software developers. I've had the
luxury and pleasure to manage the compiler group in R&D in the early Turbo
Language days. For the past 15 years I've run Developer Relations allowing
me (and our team) to travel around the world to visit with tens of thousands
of programmers. I get to come to work every day and collaborate with the
best developer focused software engineers on the planet.



I'm really excited to be moving to the new company. We've got the right
team members, we've got the tool and component partner eco-system, we have
the authors, trainers, consultants, and we have the most important part - a
loyal community. Our new company will be focused completely on you and your
success. Yes, both companies will have a focus on software development.
Both are going to advance the state-of-the-art and best practices. They'll
just do it in different ways. Ours will do it by focusing on developer
productivity and building great application development products using our
award winning IDEs, tools, component libraries, class libraries, and
database technologies. Borland will do it by addressing the needs of larger
organizations, helping them optimize their software delivery.



I was asked today by Daryl Taft of eWeek magazine, "As Borland's longest
term employee, how does the spin-off hit you?" I answered by saying, I am
moving forward as part of the new company with a huge smile on my face and a
small tear in my eye.

I want to assure all of you that we are here in Scotts Valley, and around
the world, working on future versions of Delphi, JBuilder and our other
products. We are still listening to your needs, issues, and suggestions. We
are tracking with the new platform initiatives for Windows, .NET, Java, open
standards, and emerging technologies that you want to leverage.



This is the right thing to do for our IDE business. It's the right thing to
do for Borland's ALM focus. Our priority is to ensure a smooth and
successful migration for our developer customer base, and create a vehicle
for giving it greater investment, focus and growth. This is not the
shutting down of a product line, but the empowering of it. This move is in
the best interests of our customers, company, and community.



The buyer of our IDE product lines has not yet been identified, but I and
other members of our developer team are working with Borland's executive
management to ensure that we identify the right buyer who will advance the
IDE business. Borland is committed to its customers first and foremost, and
taking care of their ongoing needs. We will keep you informed along the
journey.



Go Borland. Go New Company. Go Developers!!!




 
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icon Re: Borland trazi kupca za IDE !? Ne mogu da verujem ...08.02.2006. u 16:03 - pre 221 meseci
Neeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee
 
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icon Re: Borland trazi kupca za IDE !? Ne mogu da verujem ...08.02.2006. u 21:11 - pre 221 meseci
So long Borland...



Application Lifecycle Management... yeah, right... pravi korak...
 
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icon Re: Borland trazi kupca za IDE !? Ne mogu da verujem ...10.02.2006. u 12:57 - pre 221 meseci
Zao mi je sto se to desava
Ali kad na jednoj strani imas Microsoft (.Net , Visual Studio i sl. )
a na Drugoj IBM (Java , eclipse ) to je neminovnost .


Ako kaniš pobijediti , ne smiješ izgubiti.
 
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icon BCB: klasa -> vektor -> bin.file neocekivan rezultat10.02.2006. u 13:03 - pre 221 meseci
Ljubitelji BCB a nemojmo paniciti
da probamo pre toga nesto da smislimo...

Tape loading error
 
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icon Re: Borland trazi kupca za IDE !? Ne mogu da verujem ...10.02.2006. u 13:44 - pre 221 meseci
Koliko sam ukapirao, ekipa ostaje ista i na istoj liniji proizvoda će nastaviti da rade.
Menadžment tvrdi da će proizvodi biti i kvalitetniji.

Ima nesto i ovde:
http://bdn.borland.com/article/0,1410,33440,00.html

Kupac neće moći da bude "bilo ko", pogotovo ne M$. Kupac "će morati" da nastavi
sa razvojem, mada je to sve čista teorija...

Pominju se IBM, Sun, ORACLE, ...

Mada lično mislim da će na kraju doći u ruke nekih Kineza. Jes' da oni guraju Linux
ali nikad se ne zna...
 
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icon Re: Borland trazi kupca za IDE !? Ne mogu da verujem ...10.02.2006. u 13:57 - pre 221 meseci
Moracu izgleda da predjem na taj C# za GUI stvarchice. Jedino je BCB odlagao prelazak.

Ne vidim razloga da bilo ko od pomenutih kompanija kupi BCB/Delphi jer su svi oni heavily Java-oriented. Dodushe, Borland prodaje i JBuilder, ali sudeci po vestima i taj IDE je postao corsokak (jer je Borland pre nekog vremena najavio da odustaju od cele priche i integrishu Eclipse umesto in-house reshenja).

A ako BCB/Delphi na kraju kupe Kinezi definitivno nishta iz te linije proizvoda nikada necu koristiti, kao i shto nikad necu kupiti Lenovo ThinkPad (ex-IBM)
 
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icon Re: Borland trazi kupca za IDE !? Ne mogu da verujem ...10.02.2006. u 15:44 - pre 221 meseci
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Moracu izgleda da predjem na taj C# za GUI stvarchice. Jedino je BCB odlagao prelazak.


C#.NET GUI ti je "isti" kao kod BCB2006. Garantujem ti da ce se na njega lakse
navici ex BCB korisnik nego ex VC korisnik.

Bio sam na nekim kursevima C#.NET i oduševilo me oduševljenje VC++ programera
koji su prvi put videli PRAVI GUI i PRAVU ORGANIZACIJU KLASA.

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Ne vidim razloga da bilo ko od pomenutih kompanija kupi BCB/Delphi jer su svi oni
heavily Java-oriented. Dodushe, Borland prodaje i JBuilder, ali sudeci po vestima i
taj IDE je postao corsokak (jer je Borland pre nekog vremena najavio da odustaju
od cele priche i integrishu Eclipse umesto in-house reshenja).


Jes' vala.

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A ako BCB/Delphi na kraju kupe Kinezi definitivno nishta iz te linije proizvoda nikada necu koristiti, kao i shto nikad necu kupiti Lenovo ThinkPad (ex-IBM)


:) navalili Kinezi na brendove ko muva na ...
 
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icon Re: Borland trazi kupca za IDE !? Ne mogu da verujem ...10.02.2006. u 16:12 - pre 221 meseci
Mislim da bi vama BCB-ovcima bio interesantan VCF:

http://vcf-online.org/
 
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icon Re: Borland trazi kupca za IDE !? Ne mogu da verujem ...10.02.2006. u 16:16 - pre 221 meseci
Pomrcina ubija svaki Borlandov produkt u pojam. Kad se uzme u obzir cinjenica da i sam Borland utice na razvoj Eclipse platforme sve je jasno. Oni vide Eclipse kao buducnost, i u tome lezi glavni razlog za dizanje ruku od gore navedenih razvojnih okruzenja.

U pitanju je jako dobar potez Borlanda zapravo. Zasto? Zato sto oni nameravaju da PRODAJU te svoje produkte koji kaskaju za Pomrcinom. I to ce garant i uciniti. :) Niti jedan od Borland produkata nema neke jaaaako napredne osobine koje Pomrcina na ovaj ili onaj nacin nema (za Eclipse postoji vec vise od par hiljada registrovanih modula, od kojih je pola komercijalnih i visokokvalitetnih).

Eclipse je BESPLATNO okruzenje koje nudi sve sto nude danasnja napredna okruzenja, osim nekakve integracije i sitnih, specijalizovanih namena, sto recimo nudi Visual Studio - zbog toga Microsoft jos uvek moze da se nada profitu od Visual Studija...
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icon Re: Borland trazi kupca za IDE !? Ne mogu da verujem ...10.02.2006. u 16:19 - pre 221 meseci
Odgovor Nemanju na njegov tekst o VCF-u:
Nemanja, mislim da bi BCB korisnicima mnogo vise interesantan bio VDKBuilder:
http://home.planet.nl/~groe2579/vdkbuilder/ . :))) U pitanju je projekat koji postoji vise od 6 godina, ako ne i 7... Dakle jako ozbiljan projekat, koji konstantno napreduje.
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icon Re: Borland trazi kupca za IDE !? Ne mogu da verujem ...10.02.2006. u 16:49 - pre 221 meseci
Čemu toliko dizanje frke?

Pa nije Borland odlučio da sutra pogasi sve vezano za Delphi, i da dosadašnji rad zaključa i baci ključ...

To je neka poslovna strategija Borlanda u koju mi i nemamo baš mnogo uvida, i ko zna zbog čega se to radi.. Ali samo je jedna činjenica, a to je da ko god to bude kupio neće sigurno pustiti da propadne, jer će za to da izkeširaju dobre pare...
 
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icon Re: Borland trazi kupca za IDE !? Ne mogu da verujem ...10.02.2006. u 18:20 - pre 221 meseci
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leka: Odgovor Nemanju na njegov tekst o VCF-u:
Nemanja, mislim da bi BCB korisnicima mnogo vise interesantan bio VDKBuilder:
http://home.planet.nl/~groe2579/vdkbuilder/ . :))) U pitanju je projekat koji postoji vise od 6 godina, ako ne i 7... Dakle jako ozbiljan projekat, koji konstantno napreduje.


Može biti. Pomenuo sam VCF, jer je njegov autor u duši Delphi-jevac, pa mislim da bi se BCB-ovci lako snašli.
 
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icon Re: Borland trazi kupca za IDE !? Ne mogu da verujem ...10.02.2006. u 18:35 - pre 221 meseci
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Pomrcina ubija svaki Borlandov produkt u pojam.
.
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Zato sto oni nameravaju da PRODAJU te svoje produkte koji kaskaju za Pomrcinom
.
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Niti jedan od Borland produkata nema neke jaaaako napredne osobine koje Pomrcina na ovaj ili onaj nacin nema
.
.
Eclipse je BESPLATNO okruzenje koje nudi sve sto nude danasnja napredna okruzenja, osim nekakve integracije i sitnih, specijalizovanih namena, sto recimo nudi Visual Studio - zbog toga Microsoft jos uvek moze da se nada profitu od Visual Studija...



Razumem ja da si ti odushevljen Eclipse-om, to je jako lepo etc...

Borland prodaje sve, ukljuchujuci kompletni VCL framework koliko sam ja shvatio vest.

Borlandov IDE je ionako nikakav, taj IDE je kod mene samo kreirao kostur koda, kodiranje sam uvek radio u drugim alatima.
Ali __VCL__ je ono zbog chega ljudi kupuju Borlandove alate, a ne sam IDE/kompajler.
Tako da uplitati Eclipse kao neshto shto "ubija svaki Borlandov produkt" nema logike.

A i dokle ta potreba da se eksplicitno naglashava da je neshto BESPLATNO (all capitals) kao preterano bitan faktor u kvalitetu proizvoda?
 
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